Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
New York, N.Y. In her new memoir, NOW IT'S MY TURN(Simon & Schuster/Threshold Editions, 2006), Mary Cheney writes that when she told her parents she was gay, the first words out of her fathers mouth were exactly the ones that I wanted to hear: Youre my daughter, and I love you, and I just want you to be happy.
VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her fathers, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
When Purdum asks the vice president whether he thinks gay people are born that way, Cheney scrunches up his mouth, fixes him with a look that says Nice try, then says: Im not going to get into that. Those are deeply personal questions. You can ask.
Mary Cheney tells Purdum that her father has very little tolerance for bullshit, pardon my French. She also says that one common reaction from people who have read the manuscript of her book is Wow, you guys really have this close-knit, loving family, and it always strikes me as Yeah, of course we do. It was very surprising to me that people would think we didnt.
When Purdum asks Cheney if he is fatalistic about his heart disease, Cheney says, I am. I dont even think about it most of the time. You do those things a prudent man would do, and I live with it. Asked what he would have for breakfast at Noras Fish Creek Inn, his favorite pre-fishing spot in Wilson, Wyoming, Cheney responds without missing a beat: Id probably have two eggs over easy, sausage and hash browns, then hastens to add that that is not his normal breakfast. The day I go fishing, I get off my diet, he says. At a roundtable lunch with reporters a couple of years ago, two who were present tell Purdum that Cheney cut his buffalo steak in bite-size pieces the moment it arrived, then proceeded to salt each side of each piece.
Cheney tells Purdum that he has not changed over the years, but perhaps many of his contemporaries think he has because of my associations over the years, or because I came across as a reasonable guy, people have one view of me that was not necessarily an accurate reflection of my philosophy or my view of the world.
Purdum asks Cheney if, during his darkest night, he has even a little doubt about the administrations course. No, he tells Purdum. I think weve done what needed to be done. Of the debate over whether or not the administration hyped the pre-war intelligence, Cheney says, In the end, you can argue about the quality of the intelligence and so forth, but ... I look at that whole spectrum of possibilities and options, and I think we did the right thing.
Cheney rejects the caricature of him as the power behind the throne, insisting, I think we have created a system that works for this president and for me, in terms of my ability to be able to contribute and participate in the process. When Purdum says that the cartoon characterization of him must not be accurate, Cheney says, My image might be better out there, this caricature you talk about might be avoided, if I spent more time as a public figure trying to improve my image, but thats not why Im here.
Purdum reports that Cheney travels with a chemical-biological suit at all times. When he gave his friend Robin West and his twin children a ride to the White House a couple of years ago, West commented on the fact that Cheneys motorcade varied its daily path. And he said, Yeah, we take different routes so that The Jackal cant get me, West tells Purdum. And then there was this big duffel bag in the middle of the backseat, and I said, Whats that? Its not very roomy in here. And [Cheney] said, No, because its a chemical-biological suit, and he looked at it and said, Robin, theres only one. You lose.
Purdum talks with former New York Times reporter and former executive editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, James Naughton, who asks of Cheney: Does he acknowledge that he is not as pleasant as he used to be? Naughton knew Cheney as a fellow prankster during the 1976 campaign, and all but sighs in search of an explanation as to why he is so different now. I guess I would like to believe, he says, without any evidence to support it, that coming very close to death has somehow compelled him to act as though he only has so much breath and so much life, that hes only got so much time to accomplish what he has to do. But the public figure is nothing like the private one that I remember.
Gerald Ford tells Purdum: He may have changed a bit, but that was required for the change of circumstances. Ford, who will turn 93 in July, adds, Times change, and people change as a result of that.
If youre looking for a change from one point to another, being vice president is sui generis, Lynne Cheney tells Purdum. Its not quite like any other job.
The June issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and L.A. on May 3 and nationally on May 9.
Hyperbole.
In your socially liberal little pink world, verbal criticism is equivalent to stoning.
Your words illustrate the grave inability to think and reason rationally, merely spout emotional claptrap.
Unbelievable.
You're telling people who do not accept homosexuality with aplomb that WE are in effect, sinning, by saying anything against it. In order to be internally consistent with your so-called philosophy of life, you should never, ever disagree with or crticize anyone. But you do - with social conservatives. Because we criticize the promotion of immorality.
Hmmm. We can't criticize, but you can. See the hypocrisy?
Not at all. There are people who are advocating the casting of their offspring out of their lives. Care to defend that "rationally"? I hope I never get to the level of "rationality" where I would cast my little boy out of my life if he grew up and told me he was gay.
If homosexuals had the same attitude and didn't shove the gay agenda down everyone's throats via judicial fiat, bias laws, school indoctrination, gay pride parades, and so on, no one would know or care what they do.
Unfortunately, they have no wish to keep it private. Maybe some do, but enough don't so that the activists and their supporters are rapidly trying to change the world into one that suits them.
Care to share when and where this was, exactly?
Dr. Keyes hasn't done any "townhall discussions" in Iowa since his daughter "came out".
I didn't say you were "sinning." I didn't say you have to accept anything you don't want to accept. And I certainly didn't say that you should never disagree with or criticize anyone.
I never said any of those things, so your logic -- such as it is, is faulty. (That is constructive criticism, by the way).
What I did say is that folks should be free to live their lives the best they can. That includes dealing with being gay, having a gay child or dealing with gay folks in general.
LOL
thank you for your candid answer.
Totally agree with your #185 response. I'm not sure why people don't keep that part of their life private.
It is my deep belief that true happiness cannot be found in immorality. And moral character is the first essential in a person, so a parent who ignores that does not love his child.
But again, I never advocated cutting all ties, though I think there is a time and place for that in adult parent/child relationships. I also think there is an issue with weakening the values of the entire family. Like it or not, the moral sense of the entire family is weakened by just acting like it doesn't matter. Essentially that's the minimum of what everyone is praising: Ignore it.
I'm generally impressed with Keyes, but he's made some statements I don't accept. Still, I would be careful to avoid painting what happened with his daughter with too broad a brush.
"Besides, they're 5% or less of the population according to census records."
At least we'd win San Francisco in a landslide : )
The Democrats aren't going to legalize gay marriage on a national level. Some of the biggest homophobes in the country are Bush haters. I just think there are more important things in government to do than draft a Protection of Marriage Amendment. In case you haven't noticed, gas prices are double what they were 5 years ago. Not to mention all the kook regimes in the world are picking now to flex their pitiful muscles.
If homosexuals had the same attitude and didn't shove the gay agenda down everyone's throats via judicial fiat, bias laws, school indoctrination, gay pride parades, and so on, no one would know or care what they do.
Unfortunately, they have no wish to keep it private. Maybe some do, but enough don't so that the activists and their supporters are rapidly trying to change the world into one that suits them.
It's my understanding that these are primarily "big city" events and issues based on local community standards. Are there a gay pride parades in NYC and SF -- yep, because they are part of the community.
A lot of them unfortunately are, and they're pretty vocal about it. Fortunately, there's always the "abuse" button.
I'll bet you scare small children.
TULIP
p.s.
One of America's greatest screenwriters grew up in a strict Calvinist household. He didn't see a movie until he was a teenager.
The irony of that last statement goes right over your head.
Do you consider homosexuals and sinners your enemy? Or do you just condemn them?
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