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CA: Deputy snapped protest pictures - (Two officers, infiltrate anti-Bush demonstrators)
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 4/26/06 | Michael Fisher

Posted on 04/26/2006 8:55:46 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: blaquebyrd

" Great Britain has installed more than 1.5 million video cameras in public places in response to domestic attacks by IRA terrorists as well as increasing concerns about violent crime. According to one estimate, the average Londoner is now photographed some 300 times in the course of a typical day."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2002-07-22-ncguest11_x.htm

It doesn't stop the Brits from being the most vivacious protestors on the face of the earth.


21 posted on 04/26/2006 9:40:52 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Americanwolfsbrother
What's AWB?
If I had to "know" every freakin' acronym used in the world, I would have time to do nothing else.

Out of common courtesy, and for the sake of clarity of communications, I never use acronyms when speaking in a general forum like this one, certainly never outside of my technical "tribe".

22 posted on 04/26/2006 9:42:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: TaxRelief

"Great Britain has installed more than 1.5 million video cameras in public places in response to domestic attacks by IRA terrorists as well as increasing concerns about violent crime. According to one estimate, the average Londoner is now photographed some 300 times in the course of a typical day."

It's only a matter of time before such are WIDELY used here in the USA.

In fact, some cities, notably Washington DC, have already installed robotic cops that send you a speeding ticket when it clocks you breaking the speed limit.


23 posted on 04/26/2006 9:43:30 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Heyworth
Perhaps not happy, but never surprised. When you "protest" your image is up for grabs---be it government or the ACLU, etc. It's a risk you take, knowingly.
24 posted on 04/26/2006 9:46:35 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: TWohlford
"1. These "tactics" are not exclusive to "communists" but rather used by government all over the world.. from facists to Islamist to democratic republics. Your use of the term "communist" suggests that your argument is so weak that you have to hurl that term as an "insult"."

Never thought I'd see FReepers defending communists tactics, and yes that's what this is, on this site. By your reasoning there's no problem with identifying the people in the photos and running an FBI check on them. I mean why else would you take the photos if you weren't going to try to identify the people? You'd make a good little communist. Hillary and Putin would be proud to have you as their comrade.

25 posted on 04/26/2006 9:49:35 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: singfreedom

"When you "protest" your image is up for grabs---be it government or the ACLU, etc. It's a risk you take, knowingly."

Isn't that the idea? To let people know that you're unhappy about something, and are willing to risk repercussions for speaking out? If you're not willing to be known in a public way, then why bother?

And the protesters, at least those who understand protest, would love nothing better than to clog up the government with work in as they prosecute / persecute the protestors. They know that if the government finds it more expensive to repress the protesters than to address the grievance then the grievance might be addressed.

Finally, there are always the psychotic nut cases who need to be violent and destructive. Those people really do need to be put in jail.


26 posted on 04/26/2006 9:51:56 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Heyworth
" reinstate the draft "

I see. Thank you for sharing.

27 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:30 AM PDT by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge
They tell the press that "hundreds" will show up at their whining sessions. The press arives to find a dozen people, half of which are cops.

funny stuff.

28 posted on 04/26/2006 9:53:01 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: blaquebyrd
By your reasoning there's no problem with identifying the people in the photos and running an FBI check on them. I mean why else would you take the photos if you weren't going to try to identify the people?

Right. Maybe the poor little protesters got their feelings hurt by having their picture taken. Oops, forgot they were there for the press photographers and TV. Awe too bad if we catch a few terrorists in their midsts (not to say traitors).

/Sarcasm off

29 posted on 04/26/2006 9:53:32 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: singfreedom
"Perhaps not happy, but never surprised. When you "protest" your image is up for grabs---be it government or the ACLU, etc. It's a risk you take, knowingly."

The ACLU doesn't have access to your tax records, FBI files, military records, telephone records, or computer accounts. The government does.

30 posted on 04/26/2006 9:54:22 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd

"Never thought I'd see FReepers defending communists tactics, and yes that's what this is, on this site."

As I pointed out (did you even read what I said?) the term "communist" is an inflammatory term that is at once inaccurate as well as indescriptive.

As I pointed out, those tactics are not "communist". They might be used by commies, but they are not, strictly speaking, "communist." In fact, they are used by every type of government in the world. The commies, for instance, breathe air; do you say that breathing is a "commie" thing?

No, you used that term in order to poison us against the action, leading me to believe that you cannot articulate your agrument in more substantial ways. You don't cite First Amendment case law, nor do you tell me how the government might misuse this info.

"By your reasoning there's no problem with identifying the people in the photos and running an FBI check on them. I mean why else would you take the photos if you weren't going to try to identify the people?"

Isn't that what the protesters want? I mean, if I don't want the government to know that I'm unhappy then why would I openly protest?

And as I pointed out in another post, the protesters WANT the FBI (et al) to spend time and energy and money on them, believing that if the cost of the protesters is greater than the cost of change, then change will occur.

So, why not give them what they want?

"You'd make a good little communist. Hillary and Putin would be proud to have you as their comrade."

Again, cheap ad hominim attacks that convey little in the way of logic. I think that you'd be awfully boring over drinks discussing politics, unless we just get off on calling everyone we don't like commie pink fags.


31 posted on 04/26/2006 9:59:39 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: NormsRevenge
There is a video somewhere on the Internet that shows a young black girl, with her face covered like a Palestinian fighter, at an ant-war rally. When the frames in the video were captured, and the angle of the camera drawn back and expanded to show a wider shot, it shows that the girl is one of many being led by an Asian woman in a black, Commie slogan T-shirt, holding a bullhorn and organizing the kids into what appeared on front pages of national papers as a dramatic "caught on tape" moment.
Looking at all the frames reveals that this was a carefully organized shot. Does anyone else remember seeing this?

Otherwise, do I care if some pantywaist protester named Keith, who has had nothing better to do for the last 17 yrs. than get out in the streets and bellow his opinions, gets his picture taken by LEO? No. Absolutely not.
Wiretapping? If someone is calling the Osama Cave HQ, and talking in code to an AQ customer service rep, Yes. Absolutely. I want the gov't to protect me. The revelations re McCarthy/Priest prove that there are people here, American citizens, who want to destroy us, too.

I don't see the ACLU protecting my right to be safe from a terrorist attack. I see them trying to hamstring the LEO, and trying to take away the tools necessary to protect American citizens.
32 posted on 04/26/2006 10:02:13 AM PDT by ishabibble (UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL)
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To: sr4402
"Right. Maybe the poor little protesters got their feelings hurt by having their picture taken."

So you wouldn't have a problem if abortion protesters had government agents take their photos outside of an abortion clinic? Of course the photos would be turned over to the FBI, you know because religious freaks bomb clinics. So it's just a precautionary measure they're taking when they review their IRS records, bank accounts and on-line accounts. Do you see how this can get out of hand? Or do you agree with Hillary's review of the FBI files?

33 posted on 04/26/2006 10:02:15 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: TWohlford

If the hammer and sickle fit...


34 posted on 04/26/2006 10:04:50 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Alia
I see. Thank you for sharing.

Hey, if we're at war, let's fight a war. And that means massive mobilization. Personally, I don't think we are at war. We're in a conflict that doesn't require a draft and doesn't require massive economic mobilization.

You're the one who wants to call it a war when it's rhetorically convenient to excuse something, but doesn't want to actually fight it like one.

35 posted on 04/26/2006 10:13:46 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: blaquebyrd
And so should all Americans be frightened by these communist tactics. We don't do this in the US!

Huh???? I have no problem with the feds taking pictures of people at these demostrations. They are in a public venue, publicly protesting. They have ABSOLUTELY NO expectation of privacy here. If you don't want your face associated with this activity, don't show up!

I think the police should have multiple video cameras running at every public event. If there are no problems, good. If there are, then it is just like a dashboard camera, good evidence for court.

36 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:04 AM PDT by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: TaxRelief

How much are FBI files worth?


37 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:06 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Publius6961
Just a guess,

AWB = AmericanWolfsBrother

but then,

It could be Average White Band.
38 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:41 AM PDT by rwfok
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To: Heyworth
I'm sorry things aren't going your way. Or, as you think it should.

But we are in a war, a war unlike we've ever been in before.

You're the one who wants to call it a war when it's rhetorically convenient to excuse something, but doesn't want to actually fight it like one.

Pot, Kettle, dear.

39 posted on 04/26/2006 10:27:43 AM PDT by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge

USSS does countersurveillance, but only when a protectee is involved. They won't reveal themselves to anyone, and won't take any action unless it's warranted. If things get out of hand, they're more likely to truncate an event or some other "passive" reaction, rather than remain in a situation that could spiral out of control.


40 posted on 04/26/2006 10:28:51 AM PDT by paddles
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