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Is Officer a Casualty in US Terrorism War? (USS COLE - Able Danger)
The Modesto Bee ^ | 23 April 2006 | James Rosen - Bee Washington Bureau

Posted on 04/23/2006 10:29:07 AM PDT by Diver Dave

Ex-Cole skipper says he wasn't warned of danger before attack.

First of a two-part series. SHARPSBURG, Md. -- In October, as he had done on the same day in each of the four previous Octobers, a middle-aged man with an upright military bearing approached a grave at Antietam National Cemetery.

The man stood in silence for a minute, then lowered his head in tribute to a fallen seaman: Patrick Howard Roy, one of 17 sailors killed when al-Qaida operatives blew a huge hole into the USS Cole in the Yemen port of Aden on Oct.12, 2000.

The man who attended Roy's grave, Kirk Lippold, was his commanding officer on the Cole. While Lippold's punishment has not been made public, he is the first commissioned military officer or civilian official to be held accountable, since George W. Bush became president, for failing to prevent an act of terrorism against the United States

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abledanger; anotherclintonmess; usscole
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Finally a high-profile "journalist" writes about the USS COLE attack and ABLE DANGER connection. Front Page - above the fold, not buried inside.

The author failed to make a Clinton connection, instead blames the White House and Senate for Commander Kirk Lippold's failure to receive promotion to Captain.

1 posted on 04/23/2006 10:29:13 AM PDT by Diver Dave
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Zinni was responsible for keeping that ship safe. He handed off security to the locals...


2 posted on 04/23/2006 10:32:43 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: oolatec

Please explain your assertion.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 10:44:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: oolatec

Zinni? Zinni? That name rings a bell somewhere.


4 posted on 04/23/2006 10:45:16 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: taxcontrol
Zinni admitted he was at fault. It was on FoxNews.com.
5 posted on 04/23/2006 10:49:25 AM PDT by gafusa
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To: Diver Dave

[Bush]...has defended Donald H. Rumsfeld against withering attacks from retired generals angry over the defense secretary's handling of Iraq.

Typical liberal exageration of the facts from a very left of left newspaper.


6 posted on 04/23/2006 10:59:08 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: Diver Dave
Rosen blames Bush and the Republicans for denying Lippold's promotion after the Pentagon approved it.

So, apparently, does Republican Sen. John Warner, who as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee is the man most responsible for scuttling Lippold's promotion.

How does the Senate Armed Services Committee get involved in military promotions? Is that routine? If so, why?

7 posted on 04/23/2006 11:03:46 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Diver Dave

The captain is responsible for his ship period, its always been like that in the navy.

Intelligence not getting analyzed and passed on, that's nothing new either. No special warning should be needed for a captain to keep his ship vigilant and prepared in a middle east port.

You have to keep the two issues seperate. Were there major intelligence failures, information not getting passed on where it should? Sure. Does that intelligence failure mean the captain was judged and passed over unfairly? Not necessarily.

Not every attack can be defended against, predicted or prevented. The fact of the attack itself doesn't necessarily mean the captain did a bad job.

Yet, the intelligence failure doesn't mean the captain did a good job given the situation he had either.

A report would have examined the questions of how the captain handled things given what he knew. Crew readiness, watch policies, etc...







8 posted on 04/23/2006 11:07:54 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Diver Dave

Someone needs to tell Curt Weldon that Mary McCarthy gave money to Sestak , his opponent. Very interesting...Sandy Burglar and John Deutsch did also!!!VERY VERY interesting!! Weldon is on to something HUGE!!! Let's support him!!


9 posted on 04/23/2006 11:10:28 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: oolatec

It;'s in Zinni's own words....I pass the blame to no one.


10 posted on 04/23/2006 11:11:33 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: gafusa

Watch out for the name, Kie Fallis. I suspect that this person is another Clintonoid.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 11:13:41 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dogs are from Mars.)
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To: gafusa; taxcontrol

"Zinni admitted he was at fault. It was on FoxNews.com."


gafusa - You are so correct!! And .. I recently saw a transcript of that statement to back you up.


12 posted on 04/23/2006 11:19:46 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

All promotions of military officers are approved by the Senate. I believe the Armed Services Comittee is the body that brings the promotion lists to the floor.


13 posted on 04/23/2006 11:33:13 AM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: Francis McClobber

The Navy convenes a selection board of senior officers who rack and stack the candidates. He was passed over by them.

Not to slam the CDR, but it seems odd that he would be retired to his stateroom during the first ever refueling stop of a US Naval ship in Aden.


14 posted on 04/23/2006 12:01:26 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Diver Dave

I would think that no other naval officer would be more motivated to protect any future command than Kirk Lippold.


15 posted on 04/23/2006 12:03:38 PM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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To: Diver Dave
Reading this article one would think the attack on the USS COLE happened while George Bush was president.

The CO of any Naval Ship is ultimately responsible for his crew and his ship, HOWEVER, with NO INTELLIGENCE or WARNINGS of ANY SORT about dangers of refueling in Yemen, it is beyond reason to hold him RESPONSIBLE for the attack.

16 posted on 04/23/2006 12:12:10 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: PISANO
The CO of any Naval Ship is ultimately responsible for his crew and his ship, HOWEVER, with NO INTELLIGENCE or WARNINGS of ANY SORT about dangers of refueling in Yemen, it is beyond reason to hold him RESPONSIBLE for the attack.

A painful half-truth. He could not be expected to foresee a random attack, but...

Yes It is not beyond reason to expect vigilance in a hostile (by definition) port.
A watchful crew would have prevented a successful attack.

17 posted on 04/23/2006 1:04:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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...it is beyond reason to hold him RESPONSIBLE for the attack.

The person responsible for the attack on the Cole was Clinton, period. During his reign of terror, the military budget had been cut to the bone. The Cole was refueling in port because she could not refuel at sea. At the time of the attack, there were exactly TWO fleet tankers in the ENTIRE US Navy. The Cole had no option but to pull into port to refuel.

This attack could not have occurred if the Cole had been able to do what ships in the Navy have always done; refueled at sea, under cover of darkness. The fact that the Cole was in port refueling at all can be laid directly at the feet of Clinton. He couldn't be more responsible even if he had detonated the explosives himself.

18 posted on 04/23/2006 1:13:35 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: CyberAnt

Can you find it for me?


19 posted on 04/23/2006 3:19:52 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: wyattearp
refueled at sea, under cover of darkness.

Most of the unreps I've been involved with were in broad daylight, but, no matter.

A measure of responsibility lies with the CO. His force protection plan was weak, his ship paid for it, and now he pays for it.
20 posted on 04/23/2006 3:20:16 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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