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To: ovrtaxt
No one hopes to see some sort of communication with - or proof of existence of - alien life more than me.

But until aliens land on the planet, step off their ship and say "You people are freaking morons who need to clean up your act before you destroy yourselves", UFO believers are "just another bunch of loons."

There simply is no objective proof.  Period.

9 posted on 04/15/2006 5:24:16 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (The MSM is a hate group and we are the object of their disdain.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

imho, there's more than sufficient proof to stand up in court--were it allowed to be presented.

The Supreme Court agreed that the info was our MOST SENSITIVE SECRET body of knowledge and must be protected, essentially at all costs.

Now, the government says it's all swamp gas but the Supreme Court said that! They can't have it both ways, Bunny.

That's just NOT . . . well . . . logical.


24 posted on 04/15/2006 5:49:53 AM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; All
There simply is no objective proof. Period.

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Not so, Bunny:

The following excerpts are from Chapter 8 (WHAT SCIENTISTS SAY) of MYSTERIOUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES by Linda Moulton Howe. pp 248-281. All Rights Reserved.

Linda is a first class researcher and journalist and has paid dearly for being so. She doesn't accept anything less than multiple verifiable sources before publishing such stuff.

The whole book is well worth reading. The following are just some representative excerpts about the scientifically proven distinctions between authentic crop circles vs others and vs non crop-circle crop areas and crops.

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"Biophysicist W. C. Levengood would agree with Frank Laumen that the energies which produce crop formations come from above. The formation that convinced him was Cherhill 1993, or at least the nearby field where Peter Sorensen dragged a magnet through a circle. The soil and wheat debris attracted to the magnet were covered with a thin coating of iron oxide. He already knew that microwave frequencies were involved because his laboratory tests with microwaves simulated the anomalies of enlarged cell wall pits, lengthened and reoriented growth nodes and expulsion cavities. All of these biophysical effects were caused by sudden and rapid heating of cytoplasmic constituents and water in the nodes and much more efficiently than soup is heated in a microwave oven."

"He also suspected plasmas of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons were the transport mechanisms for the microwaves and other complex electronic energies. Since the iron glaze was distributed like spray paint over the soil and plants, Levengood reasoned that the iron was in a liquid or semi-liquid state rotating inside a spinning plasma before it was deposited by centrifugal force in most cases."

"Many formations later, Levengood has demonstrated in his research reports that high concentrations of melted iron beads are often distributed in formation soils according to the laws of centrifugal force and the empiracl data have been shown to follow the centrifugal force theory with correlation coefficients > 0.9."

"Occasionally crop formation sare not spiraled. The crop is laid straight out radially like spokes in a bicycle wheel. In those formations, unusual concentrations of iron particles have been found in the center where energies apparently focused straight downward. An example is Marion, New York in 1997 discussed in Chapter 3."

"By the summer of 2000, Levengood had studied plants from at least three hundred formations in Israel, Australia, Canada, the United States, England and Holland. He found a repeateing pattern of biochemical and biophysical changes in formation plants and magnetic anomalies in soils . . . "

"He has described his research in scholarly papers published by the international plant physiology journal, Physiologica Plantarum, and the American Journal of Scientific Exploration. So far, no one has refuted his hypothesis that spinning plasma vortices containing microwaves, magnetic fields and electric fields produced by charge separation in plasma form the complex energy systems that create the crop formations. . . . "

"In a 1995 paper entitled 'Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with A Crop Formation' published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (Vol 9, No. 2, Pages 191-199), Levengood and his research colleague, John Burke wrote, 'Out of a four year investigation of plant tissues taken from over eighty crop formations, located within five countries, we report data from a single sample set which indicates a 'close encounter,' between the complex forces producing these flattened, circular type formations and meteoric material from the atmosphere."

"'Both soil chunks and plant tissue taken from specific regions within a 1993 wheat crop formation in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, exhibited a high degree of magnetic susceptibility which originated within adherent coatings consisting of the comingled iron oxides, hematite (Fe2O3) and magnetite (Fe3O4) fused into a heterogeneous mass, and having the properties of a 'magnetic glaze.' The makeup of this material appears to be of meteoric origin and apparently impacted the ground while in the semi-molten state. Presence of meteoric material adhering to both soil and plant tissues casts considerable doubt on this being an artificially prepared or 'hoaxed' formation."

------------ There's tons more scientific data in the chapter. But I'm a bit tired of typing.

I hope you can see that your assumptions about such have been flawed.

106 posted on 04/15/2006 9:12:43 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Additional excerpts per above ref:

p 250

"The wheat leaf at Cherhill was not damaged by this molten iron deposit because of the Liendenfrost effect. Suddenly heated leaves can release steam through their stomata that creates a protective layer between the leaf and whatever warm substance touches them. In this case, it was the deposit of semi-molten meteoric iron particles."

. . .

p. 258: "'In fact,' Levengood added, 'in laboratory experimentation, we have successfully simulated the growth enhancement effects. John and I have found that when there is a drought, the plants grown from our experimental seeds don't wilt as much or as fast. The plants are resistent to drought. They can also last longer without light. The biochemistry of the plants has been changed to a much higher efficiency level.'"

p. 259
" . . . We have found through chemical tests at outside laboratories that our plants have much higher levels of antioxidants. . . . "

". . . When the pulsing electric energies hit the seeds, or the plasma itself interacts with the plants, free radicals are produced that are destructive. But the plants try to counter the free radicals by producing more antioxidants. To produce antioxidants in reaction to the tremendous pulse of free radicals during the crop formation creation goes way back to my studies of ion transport in stems of plants and the effect of electric fields on them. Those are my redox tests of plant cell metabolism. What we've found is new stuff. You can't go to text books to find this."

"Another interesting discovery we've made is that if seeds that have been hit by free radicals are planted right away, they are practically dead. But if we wait several months, the plants end up more vigorous."

. . .

"In a recent grass formation discovered in Madera, California on March 27, 2000, Levengood performed his redox tests of plant metabolism in grass from the center of a circle and grass sampled from the formation's edge."

"The redox test came out about what I expected," Levengood said. "The controls had the normal level of respiration and the other two from the formation were anomalous. After those tests, I put all the plants back in a tight box, completely dark, for a week. After eight days, I decided I didn't need them for any more work and opened the box to throw them out. I could not believe what I was looking at. The control plants were yellow and brown, dying as you would expect. But the formation plants were still green!"

There simply is no objective proof. Period.

-------

Not so, Bunny:

The following excerpts are from Chapter 8 (WHAT SCIENTISTS SAY) of MYSTERIOUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES by Linda Moulton Howe. pp 248-281. All Rights Reserved.

Linda is a first class researcher and journalist and has paid dearly for being so. She doesn't accept anything less than multiple verifiable sources before publishing such stuff.

The whole book is well worth reading. The following are just some representative excerpts about the scientifically proven distinctions between authentic crop circles vs others and vs non crop-circle crop areas and crops.

-------

"Biophysicist W. C. Levengood would agree with Frank Laumen that the energies which produce crop formations come from above. The formation that convinced him was Cherhill 1993, or at least the nearby field where Peter Sorensen dragged a magnet through a circle. The soil and wheat debris attracted to the magnet were covered with a thin coating of iron oxide. He already knew that microwave frequencies were involved because his laboratory tests with microwaves simulated the anomalies of enlarged cell wall pits, lengthened and reoriented growth nodes and expulsion cavities. All of these biophysical effects were caused by sudden and rapid heating of cytoplasmic constituents and water in the nodes and much more efficiently than soup is heated in a microwave oven."

"He also suspected plasmas of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons were the transport mechanisms for the microwaves and other complex electronic energies. Since the iron glaze was distributed like spray paint over the soil and plants, Levengood reasoned that the iron was in a liquid or semi-liquid state rotating inside a spinning plasma before it was deposited by centrifugal force in most cases."

"Many formations later, Levengood has demonstrated in his research reports that high concentrations of melted iron beads are often distributed in formation soils according to the laws of centrifugal force and the empiracl data have been shown to follow the centrifugal force theory with correlation coefficients > 0.9."

"Occasionally crop formation sare not spiraled. The crop is laid straight out radially like spokes in a bicycle wheel. In those formations, unusual concentrations of iron particles have been found in the center where energies apparently focused straight downward. An example is Marion, New York in 1997 discussed in Chapter 3."

"By the summer of 2000, Levengood had studied plants from at least three hundred formations in Israel, Australia, Canada, the United States, England and Holland. He found a repeateing pattern of biochemical and biophysical changes in formation plants and magnetic anomalies in soils . . . "

"He has described his research in scholarly papers published by the international plant physiology journal, Physiologica Plantarum, and the American Journal of Scientific Exploration. So far, no one has refuted his hypothesis that spinning plasma vortices containing microwaves, magnetic fields and electric fields produced by charge separation in plasma form the complex energy systems that create the crop formations. . . . "

"In a 1995 paper entitled 'Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with A Crop Formation' published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (Vol 9, No. 2, Pages 191-199), Levengood and his research colleague, John Burke wrote, 'Out of a four year investigation of plant tissues taken from over eighty crop formations, located within five countries, we report data from a single sample set which indicates a 'close encounter,' between the complex forces producing these flattened, circular type formations and meteoric material from the atmosphere."

"'Both soil chunks and plant tissue taken from specific regions within a 1993 wheat crop formation in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, exhibited a high degree of magnetic susceptibility which originated within adherent coatings consisting of the comingled iron oxides, hematite (Fe2O3) and magnetite (Fe3O4) fused into a heterogeneous mass, and having the properties of a 'magnetic glaze.' The makeup of this material appears to be of meteoric origin and apparently impacted the ground while in the semi-molten state. Presence of meteoric material adhering to both soil and plant tissues casts considerable doubt on this being an artificially prepared or 'hoaxed' formation."

------------ There's tons more scientific data in the chapter. But I'm a bit tired of typing.

I hope you can see that your assumptions about such have been flawed.

109 posted on 04/15/2006 9:42:32 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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