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Principals Face Review in Education Overhaul [Is Jeb's school grading "a sword of Damocles" ?]
Th NY Times ^ | April 12, 2006 | Elissa Gootman

Posted on 04/12/2006 7:12:47 PM PDT by summer

Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein yesterday accelerated his drive to hold educators accountable for student achievement, announcing that New York City's more than 1,400 schools will be graded each year just like students, from A to F. Principals whose schools persistently fail could be removed, he said.

Mr. Klein said schools' grades would be determined largely by a more sophisticated analysis of annual standardized test scores. In addition, officials would look at a new set of satisfaction surveys, to be completed by parents, teachers and students.

Any effort to remove principals based on the new grades could require changes in their contract, according to their union. Under their current contract, principals are rated satisfactory or unsatisfactory, and critics say even poor principals are rarely penalized.

Mr. Klein and his aides said the most critical factor in deciding the schools' grades would be how individual students' test scores improve from one year to the next....

Special emphasis will be placed on a school's ability to raise the performance of its lowest-achieving students.

This kind of analysis differs from New York State's rating system under the federal No Child Left Behind law because it would follow individual students from year to year ....

...It is also intended to give parents critical information about their schools. Officials said the grades would be posted online.

Jill S. Levy, president of the Council of School Supervisors and Administrators, the principals' union, said ...the new report card system was like "a sword of Damocles" over principals' heads.


The chancellor said that the new system was a work in progress...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: New York
KEYWORDS: accountability; education; florida; jeb; mayorbloomberg; newyork; principals; pspl; schoolgrades
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I haven't kept up with education news coming out of NY as much as I read Florida news about education, but every once in awhile, I notice this:

NYC GOP Mayor Bloomberg keeps adopting FL Gov Jeb Bush's education reforms.

The latest reform imported from FL is NY's proposed grading of schools -- which means assigning an actual grade to a school and posting it online. The school's grade is primarily based on the improvement in student achievement as measured by a student test (FL's FCAT).

Now, I don't mind that NYC Mayor Bloomburg keeps adopting reforms already in place for 8 years under FL Gov Jeb Bush.

But, it does bug me to see the NY Times omit any mention of Gov Bush when publishing an article about this, while including such an inflamatory quote of the NYC union prez for principals, as she described this proposed school grading system as:

like "a sword of Damocles" over principals' heads.

The NY Times should have then balanced this by stating something like:

Such a system has already been in place in Florida for the past eight years.

Or is that too much to ask?
1 posted on 04/12/2006 7:12:49 PM PDT by summer
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To: Born Conservative

FYI.


2 posted on 04/12/2006 7:13:23 PM PDT by summer
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To: moog

BTW, I enjoyed reading your comments on that other thread. :)


3 posted on 04/12/2006 7:14:38 PM PDT by summer
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Pharmboy; Clemenza

FYI.


4 posted on 04/12/2006 7:15:09 PM PDT by summer
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To: Amelia

Do they grade schools in your state?


5 posted on 04/12/2006 7:17:24 PM PDT by summer
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To: Cicero

FYI.


6 posted on 04/12/2006 7:19:11 PM PDT by summer
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To: rwfromkansas

FYI.


7 posted on 04/12/2006 7:37:02 PM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Brower; NonValueAdded

FYI.


8 posted on 04/12/2006 8:44:25 PM PDT by summer
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To: Dog Gone; PJ-Comix

Maybe you guys can answer my question in my post #1. :)


9 posted on 04/12/2006 8:45:47 PM PDT by summer
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To: All
Ancient History about this sword...
10 posted on 04/12/2006 8:48:55 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

This is my problem with the whole grading system. Some of the scores are not the teachers fault. My daughters old school was closed and we are temporarily at a new school.

The new school has horrible test scores. Whose fault is it? Well, here are some of the factors:

1) student turnover- kids come in for a month or two and then leave. Lots of times they are months or years behind their classmates.

2) ESL students - we have a high amount of hispanics (probably parents are illegal) whose first language is Spanish. Their parents don't speak (or read) English, so there is not parental support at home to do homework, etc.

3) Just plain poor kids who don't have much parental support. They have behavior problems, etc.

Now, the test scores do indicate that there is a problem with the school, but those students probably won't do well anywhere.

Now, the bad part is that if the schools scores go down, then the school has to focus on reading/writing/math. They don't have music, science, art, social studies, history because those aren't tested. This is okay for the students that are doing poorly, but it is horrible for the kids at the school that are doing great.

I think we need more school choice. I think there should be some schools for kids that are struggling, and then there should be schools for kids that are doing well. Even in a school, it seems like they should be able to split the students up and provide the enrichment activities for the kids that are doing well.

We're trying to get to a new school for next year. We're on the wait list for a charter school.


11 posted on 04/12/2006 9:47:04 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: summer

"Any effort to remove principals based on the new grades could require changes in their contract, according to their union. Under their current contract, principals are rated satisfactory or unsatisfactory, and critics say even poor principals are rarely penalized."

Why do educational professionals need a union?


12 posted on 04/12/2006 10:51:28 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: summer
Do they grade schools in your state?

Yes, summer, they do, and have been doing so for over 10 years now I think. They post the "report cards" online here, and also each year every student gets a printed report card on his/her school and the district to take home.

Archived report cards can be found at this link, and somewhere (don't have time to look for it now) there is a website that lets parents compare potential schools and districts based at least in part on the report card data.

13 posted on 04/13/2006 3:00:06 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: summer

Thanks. I actually enjoyed it as people actually tried to have a discussion for once.

Everybody in our district here receives a review every three years. It's quite a thorough process.


14 posted on 04/13/2006 7:29:04 AM PDT by moog
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To: moog

Do teachers have the opportunity to "grade" or evaluate their own principals in our district? That is something I have not seen, but I think should happen.


15 posted on 04/14/2006 5:40:41 AM PDT by summer
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To: luckystarmom
I don't know what state you're in, but if you're in FL, well, FL does have a lot of school choice. Check out the FL Dept of Ed web site for more info HERE.
16 posted on 04/14/2006 5:43:01 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Do teachers have the opportunity to "grade" or evaluate their own principals in our district? That is something I have not seen, but I think should happen.

ABSOLUTELY they do, and it is the major basis for the scores on the principal. I wasn't aware that it didn't happen elsewhere.


17 posted on 04/14/2006 6:57:42 AM PDT by moog
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18 posted on 04/14/2006 6:59:27 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: victim soul
Why do educational professionals need a union?
Why does anyone need a union?
19 posted on 04/14/2006 7:38:34 AM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: moog
Do teachers have the opportunity to "grade" or evaluate their own principals in our district?
I wish we could rate our principal. He is taking our campus down, has no leadership abilities whatsoever, is gone from campus all the time, hides behind the desk when he is on campus, and waits for trouble to develop before taking action that someone else thinks up for him. Other than these things, he's a very nice guy.
20 posted on 04/14/2006 7:41:26 AM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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