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Phone Taps Just Got Impossible
strategypage.com ^ | 4/12/06 | James Dunnigan

Posted on 04/12/2006 12:45:55 PM PDT by teddyruxpin

INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS: Phone Taps Just Got Impossible

April 12, 2006: Eavesdropping on phone calls just got a lot harder. Phil Zimmermann, the guy who invented PGP encryption for Internet mail, has developed a similar product, Zfone, for VOIP (telephone calls over the Internet). Zfone, like PGP, is free and easy to use. PGP drove intelligence agencies nuts, because it gave criminals and terrorists access to industrial grade cryptography. PGP doesn't stop the police or intel people from reading encrypted email, but it does slow them down. Zfone, however, uses stronger encryption. This means more delays, perhaps fatal delays, in finding out what the bad guys are saying. There's no immediate solution for this problem, unless Phil Zimmermann has provided a back door in Zfone for the intel folks. That is unlikely, but at least possible.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: counterterrorism; encryption; pgp; voip; wiretaps; zfone
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To: teddyruxpin

bump


41 posted on 04/12/2006 1:35:30 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: MediaMole
There is no way to conventially tap a VOIP call that never touches the phone system. Warrant or no, it would have to be intercepted and decrypted.

Umm sure there is. IF you're on dial-up or DSL, then they put equipment in the CO, if you're on cable, then they put equipment at the nodes. And while you are in effect creating a virtual connection to the recieving computer, it is still running through the backbone which in turn is connected to switches. Eitherway, they CAN intercept the datastreams. Decrypting is another matter.

42 posted on 04/12/2006 1:36:53 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: BearWash

Re: Skype's encryption (download .pdf):

http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/3375


43 posted on 04/12/2006 1:37:39 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: AFreeBird

My point was that there isn't some central office where they can turn a switch and the Feds can easily listen to the otherwise encrypted audio with no delay.


44 posted on 04/12/2006 1:45:09 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: teddyruxpin

Just because it's illegal in those regimes doesn't mean the disidents won't use it, just being a dissident in those areas is usually illegal and that hasn't stopped them. Meanwhile with the encryption they'll have more secure communication methods that will help them.


45 posted on 04/12/2006 1:45:13 PM PDT by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Public key PGP encryption can be broken?"


This is not my field but my understanding is that PGP is made up of 4 cryptographic elements, each of which is subject to attack and none of which is known to have been cracked.


46 posted on 04/12/2006 1:57:34 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: teddyruxpin

Sounds downright excellent. I'll have to download it and check it out.


47 posted on 04/12/2006 1:57:45 PM PDT by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: gondramB
The right of Americans to be left alone by the government unless they are doing something illegal is fundamental to the American way of life.

Thanks. I'm getting tired of the "if you don't have something to hide" crowd. 

48 posted on 04/12/2006 2:00:09 PM PDT by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I thought a PGP key length of 4096 was pretty much unbreakable.

It is unless you are thinking on time scales exceeding the heat-death of the universe. 

49 posted on 04/12/2006 2:02:06 PM PDT by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: teddyruxpin
There's no immediate solution for this problem, unless Phil Zimmermann has provided a back door in Zfone for the intel folks. That is unlikely, but at least possible.

No, pretty much impossible given the fact that Zimmerman is firmly on the side of privacy and is a well-known and respected cryptographer.

Still, this is nothing really new. It's an update of his old program PGPfone that let people make secure 'net phone calls before VOIP became popular.

PGP doesn't stop the police or intel people from reading encrypted email, but it does slow them down.

So we establish that the author really doesn't know what he's talking about. Depending on your configuration, yeah it'll slow them down, probably until after you die of old age. The opinion of the professional cryptographic community is that even the NSA probably does not have the resources to crack a well set-up PGP.

However, that doesn't count the use of key loggers, etc., to gain access to the passphrases or other means of circumventing PGP.

I feel so much safer now.

... from my government.

50 posted on 04/12/2006 2:02:33 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: teddyruxpin
I love when the 'privacy' lobby puts self-interest so far in front of common sense that they can't see beyond their smug self-satisfaction. Yes, keep our agencies from listening to our calls!

PGP allows private conversations to make it out out Communist/repressive regimes, and various other legitimate uses. Encryption protects your BANK accounts, credit cards, financial transactions with the Fed, sensitive personal data etc. As with any technology, it can be abused.

I use PGP every day. and if the government can crack multiple layers of 4096bit keys, more power to them.

51 posted on 04/12/2006 2:06:14 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: zeugma

"Thanks. I'm getting tired of the "if you don't have something to hide" crowd. "

The government only has (or is supposed to have) the power given to it by the people. We never gave them them to right pry into or regulate every detail of our private lives without evidence we are depriving others of their rights. And therefore they do not legitmately have that power.

Now for legitimate national defense issues the government has been (appropriately) given broad powers but that does not mean that innocent people are doing something wrong by expecting privacy.


52 posted on 04/12/2006 2:07:01 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: teddyruxpin
On 911, the force that killed the most people in the terrorist attacks was gravity.

It's unfortunate that the terrorists have access to gravity, but I don't blame the guy who invented gravity for the deaths.

53 posted on 04/12/2006 2:16:04 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MediaMole
"VOIP calls can go directly from computer to computer with no contact with to the phone grid. The call is encrypted on each end and the data going over the net is encrypted at all times.

There is no way to conventially tap a VOIP call that never touches the phone system. Warrant or no, it would have to be intercepted and decrypted."

That i didn't know, very interesting. How does Vonage (for instance) bill people? Are they just selling the interfaces on each end? Looks like I'll have to hit google when i get off work tonight.
54 posted on 04/12/2006 2:26:22 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: gondramB
The government only has (or is supposed to have) the power given to it by the people. We never gave them them to right pry into or regulate every detail of our private lives without evidence we are depriving others of their rights. And therefore they do not legitmately have that power.

Bump. If the federal government wants to protect us, secure the BORDERS, not the airwaves.

55 posted on 04/12/2006 2:27:16 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: dead
On 911, the force that killed the most people in the terrorist attacks was gravity.

Obviously, the State should decide who falls and who floats. If not, then the Terrorists (booga booga) have won! ;-)

56 posted on 04/12/2006 2:28:53 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: tfecw
How does Vonage (for instance) bill people?

You have voip to their system, which is logged, and then if they need to connect the other end via conventional phone system that is billed (to vonage) at their rates like any business call. Or so I imagine.

57 posted on 04/12/2006 2:31:36 PM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: tfecw
How does Vonage (for instance) bill people? Are they just selling the interfaces on each end?

VoIP calls are routed through the vendor's equipment. In my case, for example, if Packet-8 servers are down, my VoIP is down.

58 posted on 04/12/2006 2:36:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: dead
Good point!

So now the government should restrict the export of gravity to known rogue nations... /sarc

8^)

59 posted on 04/12/2006 2:43:08 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (This Space For Rent. Call 555-1212 for more info.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Maybe P=NP but the government is just not telling us.


60 posted on 04/12/2006 2:46:51 PM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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