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To: goldstategop
Yep. We can spend billions on entitlement benefits but defending our country is too darned expensive.

Cost/Benefit of arresting 7 million unskilled and semi-skilled laborers and deporting them doesn't compute. Secure the border, work on integrating those that are already here.

Now we know how the Romans disappeared - due to internal desuetude that sapped the will of an entire civilization to go on living.

Western Rome fell because she constantly hemorrhaged money using the legions to attempt to secure far-flung frontiers. This eventually led to Constantine splitting Rome into two empires that subsequently started competing with each other, leading to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. The East hung on for the most part until 800 A.D. and only finally fell when the Turks sacked Constantinople.

If we can't even defend our country at the border, how are we going to defend it from our enemies abroad?

I'm more concerned about our failure to amend or eliminate the grotesque farm subsidies that we shell out every year. That, far more than anything else, speaks of a lack of political will to maintain ourselves as the preeminent nation.

The writing is on the wall.

Possibly, but things change. There are reasons to hope, yet.

The next test will be to see if the government caves to nativist pressure and builds some sort of wall on the Mexican border. If that happens, I have substantially reduced hopes for our future.

15 posted on 04/11/2006 12:09:53 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
Western Rome fell because she constantly hemorrhaged money using the legions to attempt to secure far-flung frontiers. This eventually led to Constantine splitting Rome into two empires that subsequently started competing with each other, leading to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. The East hung on for the most part until 800 A.D. and only finally fell when the Turks sacked Constantinople.

Western Rome fell because it hired foreignors, the gauls, who immigrated into Rome as mercenaries in the Western Roman army. Eventually the immigrant army turned on Western Rome and sacked the City of Rome itself. Afterward, the Gauls went to what is now Spain to form their own country.

The Gauls' country lasted for a few hunderd years until the muslims invaded them and destroyed their country.

Eastern Rome bankrupted itself in high taxes to pay foreign nations annually not to invade Eastern Rome. Eventually, when Eastern Rome bankrupted themselves and had no money to bride their enemies off, their enemies invaded and destroyed Eastern Rome.

And in some way the U.S. government is guilty of making the same mistakes that caused both Western Rome (hiring foreigners) and Eastern Rome (bribing tyrants with "U.S. foreign aid" not to make war with anyone) to fall.

25 posted on 04/11/2006 12:20:39 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Zeroisanumber

The only thing that doesn't compute are do nothing people like you. We CAN deport them, we just need the will to do so. People with your attitude point up the truth of the article, there is no will left in many of the citizens of America.


34 posted on 04/11/2006 12:31:29 AM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: Zeroisanumber
I'm more concerned about our failure to amend or eliminate the grotesque farm subsidies that we shell out every year. That, far more than anything else, speaks of a lack of political will to maintain ourselves as the preeminent nation.

Why yes; let's outsource our food supply to the lowest bidder. That will certainly allow us to maintain our status as a superpower. We've seen how well it's worked with oil.

55 posted on 04/11/2006 1:04:26 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Zeroisanumber
The next test will be to see if the government caves to nativist pressure and builds some sort of wall on the Mexican border. If that happens, I have substantially reduced hopes for our future.

You have it backwards - stemming the tide of the daily invasion is exactly the step the USA should take if it wants to save itself.

Our borders aren't 'far flung' like the Roman's were. Why not explain to us why an open, porous border is a good idea to your mind?

82 posted on 04/11/2006 1:42:24 AM PDT by Gigantor (If bin Laden doesn’t want Bush to be the president, something must be right with Bush.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

You will worry MORE if there is a wall built? What shall we do, spend money patrolling a border that is nothing but a line on the map? Without a solid border fence or wall, the job is impossible.


107 posted on 04/11/2006 3:31:32 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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