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Feds to target illegals' fake IDs
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 04/05/06 | JULIA MALONE

Posted on 04/06/2006 1:16:12 AM PDT by Marine Inspector

WASHINGTON — Acknowledging widespread security lapses within the nation's immigration system, the Bush administration announced Wednesday it is opening anti-fraud task forces in 10 cities, including Atlanta, to crack down on fake driver's licenses, passports and other methods used to obtain immigration benefits.

"Millions have used fraudulent documents" to obtain work permits or to provide cover for criminal or terrorist activities, said Julie Myers, assistant Homeland Security secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who cited "an epidemic" of bogus identification documents generated by highly sophisticated crime networks.

The enforcement initiative, which combines Homeland Security immigration agencies, the U.S. Department of Justice and other federal and local agencies, is to operate in Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York, Newark, N.J., Philadelphia and St. Paul, Minn.

Many agencies involved

Details about the initiative were sketchy. But led by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the task forces build on existing partnerships to bring investigators together from a variety of agencies with expertise in different aspects of document and benefit fraud, a news release announcing task forces said.

Some of the participants in the task forces include the Department of Justice, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, Department of Labor Office of Inspector General, Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General, State Department Office of Inspector General, State Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security, U.S. Postal Inspection Service, U.S. Secret Service, and numerous state and local law enforcement agencies.

The announcement came the day before a former Homeland Security official was scheduled to tell Congress that the department is now awarding immigrant benefits, including citizenship, without proper background checks and has failed to investigate nearly 600 cases of alleged bribery, money laundering and other criminal activities by its own employees.

Just last week in Georgia, supporters and critics of the newly approved Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act agreed the state law could be undermined by bogus documents.

A key provision of the act, which passed both houses of the state Legislature last week by big margins, is the section dealing with private employers verifying that their workers are legally in the country. Some say the proliferation of fake documents makes that section of the law, and possibly others, difficult if not impossible to enforce.

Security concerns cited

Michael J. Maxwell, who quit in February as director of the U.S. Office of Security and Investigations for immigration services, is scheduled to testify today to the House Subcommittee on International Terrorism.

"The integrity of the United States immigration system has been corrupted, and the system is incapable of ensuring the security of our homeland," Maxwell said in a statement prepared for the hearing.

That statement is accompanied by more than 70 pages of documentation, internal e-mails and memos he said show an agency awash in security problems and lacking the resources "to open investigations into even the relatively small number of national security cases."

Maxwell's written testimony describes increasing vulnerabilities in the Citizenship and Immigration Services division, which oversees the distribution of work visas, permanent "green card" residency permits and citizenship.

The former official quit in a dispute with his bosses after he briefed members of Congress about security problems.

Among the complaints prepared for his testimony, Maxwell says that employees assigned to perform checks on would-be citizens or permanent residents were increasingly denied access to FBI crime and terrorism databases that record allegations of criminal behavior or security problems.

Case backlog

Maxwell's documentation also indicates that regional immigration offices, including those in Atlanta and Philadelphia, have a backlog of cases of applicants who have been denied residency because of ineligibility or criminal prosecutions. Although these applicants should have been notified and put into removal procedures, their cases are "in limbo" and their official "notices to appear" in immigration court have not gone out, Maxwell says.

Asked about the backlogs, the director of Citizenship and Immigration Services, Emilio Gonzalez, said the caseload is so large that his agency has to take care so they "don't clog up the court system."

"We have to prioritize" the cases, Gonzalez said.

The immigration services director brushed off Maxwell's criticism of security at the agency. "He has his opinions, and I have mine," said Gonzalez, who joined in the announcement of the task forces.

Paul L. Jones, director of homeland security and justice investigations for the Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress, said the new anti-fraud effort is a response to a recent GAO report that found extensive fraud in the granting of immigrant benefits.

The government's anti-fraud task forces do not go far enough, Jones said, adding that the system does not penalize the people who use fake IDs and other illegal schemes to obtain immigration permits and visas. Under current practices, a person can lie on an immigration benefit application, be turned down, and later try again and again, Jones said.

The GAO official said that his agency reviewed Maxwell's allegations and found them to be serious. "Our folks say there's enough smoke there," Jones said, adding that the GAO has referred his complaints to the FBI.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; cbp; counterfiet; fake; falseid; fbi; ice; id; illegallaiens
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1 posted on 04/06/2006 1:16:14 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector

Keeping them from commiting identity theft is only half the story. So much easier to keep them from entering in the first place.

What's your take on the recent Senatorial proceedings?


2 posted on 04/06/2006 1:26:11 AM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Marine Inspector
Isn't presenting forged documents some kind of felony? Anyone caught with them should be prosecuted, incarcerated, and then deported with orders never to return.

L

3 posted on 04/06/2006 1:26:44 AM PDT by Lurker (In God I trust. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: CowboyJay
Amnesty light is coming!
4 posted on 04/06/2006 1:27:04 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector

Backlog?

I.N.S. Shredder Ended Work Backlog, U.S. Says
By JOHN M. BRODER


LOS ANGELES, Jan. 30 (2003) — Tens of thousands of pieces of mail come into the huge Immigration and Naturalization Service data processing center in Laguna Niguel, Calif., every day, and as at so many government agencies, it tends to pile up. One manager there had a system to get rid of the vexing backlog, federal officials say. This week the manager was charged with illegally shredding as many as 90,000 documents.




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5 posted on 04/06/2006 1:43:34 AM PDT by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Marine Inspector
If they were truly serious about this, Kansas City would be high on the list of targeted cities. We have I-35 north to south, I-70 east to west, a major rail hub and El Canejo (among others) busline. It's almost out of control here and there's no signs of anyone attempting to erradicate the problem. In fact, there's not even a sign of anyone being concerned about the problem.

I've had a personal experience with El Canejo while driving on I-35 about a year ago. I was northbound in the right-hand lane, doing approximately 70mph in a 60 mph lane. An EC bus came up behind me and rode my tail for a short distance while honking at me. I was already in the "slow" lane and there was traffic to my left. Once that traffic cleared the bus pulled into that lane. As it passed me the driver blared his horn, flipped me off and drove into my lane pushing me onto the shoulder. I quickly pulled out my cell and dialed 911 while getting back on the highway. Kansas Highway Patrol answered and were quite concerned about what I'd told them but since I couldn't keep up with the bus and it was heading into Missouri, there wasn't much they could do.

6 posted on 04/06/2006 2:05:10 AM PDT by hmmmmm
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To: hmmmmm
It's bad almost everywhere and ICE has very little manpower.

Anyway, this is dog and pony stuff to appease the sheep.
7 posted on 04/06/2006 2:07:34 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
"Amnesty light is coming!"

If it does, I believe we can have it thrown out as a human rights violation. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610093/posts "Thus, when Congress passed as a companion to the Fourteenth Amendment the Expatriation Act of 1868, which provided simply that “the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right of all people, indispensable to the enjoyment of the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happi­ness,”"

8 posted on 04/06/2006 2:14:05 AM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Marine Inspector

It's too bad the sheep are so easily appeased. We need "rabid" dogs and ponies... but where do we get them.


9 posted on 04/06/2006 2:14:11 AM PDT by hmmmmm
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Good. Keep the pressure on folks!!


10 posted on 04/06/2006 2:16:32 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." --President Reagan)
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Website: "Immigration Services Dept of Homeland Security"

(snip)"Homeland Security does nothing about high quality fake IDs sold in New York City to illegals and potential terrorists


DOJgov.net Newswire December 8 2005


Less than four months after www.dojgov.net broke the story that immigration documents were still being openly sold by Homeland Security Immigration personnel, 26 Federal Plaza NYC, The New York Sun published an expose on the open selling of high quality documents on the streets of New York City.


The ease at which high quality counterfeit Green Cards, Social Security Cards and other documents could be purchased was made frighteningly clear, although the federal government constantly reiterates its desire to tackle document fraud.


Roosevelt Avenue in Queens has become an international market, with fake green cards costing $100.00 in an open air bazaar. According to The Sun, this business is booming.


Local dealers said most of their clients were immigrants from Latin America, but also include illegals from all over the world.


The Department of Homeland Security said it is aware of the problem and claims to be working with local enforcement agencies to prevent it. The president of the National Border Patrol Council, representing more than 10,000 border patrol agents, T.J. Bonner, said. "As long as there's a demand for these documents and the documents continue to be accepted, people will be out there supplying."


Despite increasing immigration enforcement on the border, the inflows of illegal immigrants last year for the first time outnumbered legal immigrants to America, according to research by the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington. The organization estimates the total of illegal immigrants at 11 million nationwide and 525,000 in New York City.


Mr. Bonner of the border patrol group said he was "not very impressed" with the federal and local response. "They have had such a pathetic showing in interior enforcement that it's been a joke for several years," he said. "Politicians like to pretend we can have open borders for laborers but somehow seal the borders off against criminals and terrorists. It's a laughable notion, but they actually try and sell that notion."

Border Patrol catches, then releases, illegals

USA TODAY February 2, 2005

FLORENCE, Ariz. — Thousands of illegal immigrants, mostly from Central and South America, are being released into the USA almost immediately after they are picked up by the Border Patrol as part of a policy that U.S. officials acknowledge represents a significant gap in homeland security.

The treatment of illegal immigrants from Mexico has not changed. U.S. Border Patrol agents continue to catch and deport waves of Mexican illegals, who last year accounted for most of the 905,000 people caught sneaking into the USA along the 2,000-mile Southwestern border.

But deporting illegals from countries other than Mexico — known here as "OTMs" — is far more complicated. Several Central and South American governments have been reluctant to accept groups of people for repatriation.

The result: With no place to put thousands of captured illegals from Central and South America, the Border Patrol has begun releasing them after giving them written orders to appear at deportation hearings in nearby U.S. cities. Immigration officials acknowledge the exercise is futile: About 86% of those issued such notices never show up for the court hearings.

In a procedure that has been ridiculed by local law enforcement officials and even some Border Patrol agents, the agents are told to make sure that illegal immigrants provide U.S. addresses and contact telephone numbers before they are released. The information is supposed to be included on copies of the immigration court notices.

But local law enforcement officials who have reviewed dozens of the notices say that many illegals provide false addresses or none at all. That leaves U.S. authorities with few clues about where to look for the illegals if they fail to appear in court.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says that in 2003, as many as 6,000 illegals entered the USA under the government's "catch and release" policy. Officials in U.S. border towns and other critics say the policy threatens local residents' safety and undermines security along the Southwestern border at a time when counterterrorism officials believe al-Qaeda operatives could be focusing on Mexico as an entry point to the USA.

"The Border Patrol is admitting that they don't have a clue about who these people really are or what kind of threat they might pose," says D'Wayne Jernigan, the sheriff in Val Verde County, Texas. "During these times when everybody's concerned about who's coming into this country, I think you have to question the wisdom of this policy."

The "catch and release" policy has existed for several years but has become particularly evident since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which led U.S. officials to tighten border security.

Immigration inspectors continue letting people in using stolen foreign passports

Extract from Washington Post report 2 Feb 2005

DHS immigration inspectors had continued to let dozens of people using stolen foreign passports enter the United States -- even after other governments had notified the agency of the passport numbers. Using stolen passports is a well-known tactic of al Qaeda operatives.

Even when immigration officials realized someone had entered the United States on a stolen passport, they did not routinely notify sister agencies that track illegal immigrants, the report said.

"Nobody's kicking anybody to do things" at Homeland Security, said Seth Stodder, former policy and planning director at the department's Customs and Border Protection agency. "There's a reluctance to make decisions that will be unpopular with the loser, so things just drift."

U.S. Decides to track down 400,000 fugitive Immigrants after allowing them to Roam the U.S.

PHOENIX, Nov. 16 2004 (UPI) -- Immigration officials across the United States are aggressively tracking down illegal immigrants who have disobeyed orders to leave the country.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has deployed 80 agents assigned to "fugitive operations teams" in 16 cities to find 400,000 fugitive immigrants in the United States, 80,000 of whom were ordered to leave the country after criminal convictions, the Arizona Republic reported.

The $50 million program is part of a Bush administration initiative launched in 2003 and will be expanded by another 30 teams in all 23 field offices, including two teams each in Los Angeles and New York.

(Editor's Note: It seems Immigration and Customs Enforcement [formerly the dysfunctional Immigration and Naturalization Service, subsequently renamed and hidden in Homeland Security] has learned nothing since 911.

Why should we expect criminals to voluntarily leave the United States? Why aren't they physically deported on the spot? We don't need more agents in the federal bureaucracy. We just need some common sense.)" (snip)



11 posted on 04/06/2006 2:25:09 AM PDT by twidle (Just because everybody does it doesn't make it ok!!)
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To: twidle
Government investigations take several years to complete. These folks should be arrested and off the streets around 2010.
12 posted on 04/06/2006 2:27:55 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
the Bush administration announced Wednesday it is opening anti-fraud task forces in 10 cities...to crack down on fake driver's licenses, passports and other methods used to obtain immigration benefits.

Gee, nothin' like being late to the party.

Fake work doc's, drivers licenses, etc have been the heart of illegals for 20 years.

13 posted on 04/06/2006 2:51:16 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: MojoWire
Gee, nothin' like being late to the party.

Sheeeee.....your not suppose to notice.

14 posted on 04/06/2006 2:54:16 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Lurker

"Isn't presenting forged documents some kind of felony? Anyone caught with them should be prosecuted, incarcerated, and then deported with orders never to return."


(snip)"Website: Department of Homeland Security

Immigration Services,

Customs & Immigration Enforcement.

It's the same old USDOJ INS with the same indolent and corrupt habits

Immigration Services of Homeland Security illegally selling Passport Stamps and setting potential terrorists loose on America

DOJgov.net newswire exclusive July 9 2005

In spite of the transfer of Immigration Services from the US Department of Justice to the Homeland Security Agency, illegal practices placing America at risk have continued.

DOJgov.net has first hand witness information that 26 Federal Plaza, NYC is continuing their practice of illegally selling passport stamps on site. These stamps indicate that an immigrant has been approved for legal permanent residency, or a green card. It gives them open access to America.

This practice is being carried out in the open, with employees working together and collecting pay-offs on-site. Corrupt or incompetent Mid level management is doing nothing to stop this. Upper Management is turning their backs on this terrorist friendly corruption.

Corruption such as this is endemic in Immigration Services. It works hand in hand with the selling of Green Cards and processing of visas with incomplete background checks.

Whistleblower employees like Caryl B. Leventhal (see www.Justice-Denied.net) have been attempting to stop practices that invite terrorists into America since late 1995. They have been met with termination, threat of death and threat of arrest and prosecution (by the US Attorney's Office) if they didn't keep quiet.

Workers say INS Newark office was bribery haven

DOJgov.net - January 10, 2004

It was December 20th 2003, some five days before Christmas Day. And during this time of brotherly love, one cornered witness after another testified that bribes were standard operating procedure at the Newark, New Jersey INS office.

As in the past, the US Attorney’s Office was prosecuting INS employee felons instead of silencing dedicated whistleblowers, because things were becoming so flagrant.

When immigrants applied for work permits or green cards, one former officer testified, he would often take the money orders, cash them for himself and stash the applications in a locker.

Another former INS supervisor testified she accepted $40,000 to $70,000 in bribes to create fraudulent work permits for more than 50 illegal immigrants. And when that same supervisor passed a co-worker her share of a $2,200 bribe to approve green cards for two ineligible illegal immigrants from India, the woman complained the sum was too small, the woman testified. Other workers in the Newark district, she said, were getting bigger bribes.

During an ongoing but little publicized federal corruption trial in Newark, former INS workers have described an office in which employees often approved immigrants for legal residency not because the foreigners were eligible under the law, but because they had paid thousands of dollars in bribes to a middleman who paid off federal US Department of Justice employees

The scenario for the US Department of Justice’s Immigration and Naturalization Service (now hidden in The Department of Homeland Security and divided into the “Citizenship and Immigration Services Bureau” as well as “Border Control”) has continued the endemic practice of allowing potential terrorists and criminals to buy their way into America. Its name may have changed after the September 11th terrorist murder of some 3,000 Americans, but since nobody was fired for enabling terrorism, there was no fear for continued corruption and wrongdoing.

Jerome Audige, 73, of West Orange is on trial for bribing two former INS officials to obtain immigration documents for a pair of clients who paid him up to $10,000.

Closing arguments before U.S. Judge William Martini were scheduled for the morning of December 20th 2003, with the jury expected to begin deliberations that afternoon.

The three former INS workers, two of whom are cooperating with authorities under threat of longer sentences, pleaded guilty and testified at Audige's trial.

Audige was president of the Irvington-based New Jersey Haitian American Cultural Organization. His arrest, along with the three INS employees and a second middleman, stem from an investigation launched in 2001 by the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General targeting suspected corruption within the Newark office, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Hammer.

This investigation began little more than one year after Deputy US Attorney Eric B. Fisher and a “cheering gallery” of some 15 US Attorneys silenced whistleblower Caryl B. Leventhal. She and her husband Michael Leventhal were threatened with arrest and prosecution if they didn't censor their website www.Justice-Denied.net to make it more amenable to US Department of Justice corruption and apathy.

At INS 26 Federal Plaza, NYC, Ms. Leventhal was the one who fought to stop this very same type of behavior. And the actions in INS Newark occurred less than two years after the USDOJ’s Immigration and Naturalization Service transferred Brenda J. Grant (Caryl Leventhal’s main antagonist) from 26 Federal Plaza to Newark, after being their for some 25 years.

Andrea Quarantillo, former director of the INS Newark district and now head of the Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the scandal was limited to three employees who have pleaded guilty and the agency had taken measures to prevent further incidents. This “case closed” excuse was used in 1998 when it was said that some 10 INS employees in 26 Federal Plaza were considered the only ones involved. A few obvious heads roll to protect others, most particularly, a corrupt and apathetic middle management, protected by the civil service system and ravenously seeking to retain power.

"We hire people and we're very concerned we give training and we put in checks and quality checks, and when it comes to giving out benefits, we expect people to live up to their oath of office," said Quarantillo. "And when they do not, as in this case, we go back ... to look at the processes, and we fix any law and loopholes that allow these things to happen."

In testimony earlier this week, Special Agent Eric Blackman of the Office of Inspector General said investigators had hoped Audige would cooperate by providing information on other INS workers. Over four days of testimony, a pair of government witnesses testified that Audige recruited INS workers to approve immigration documents for clients who were ineligible under U.S. immigration law.

Brenda Parmely, a former INS supervisor applications clerk described by Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott Resnick as "no stranger to corruption," said she accepted several thousand dollars from Audige to process immigration documents for his nephew and four other illegal immigrants from India and Haiti.

Parmely, 40, of Elizabeth, is awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to accepting bribes.

Testifying for the prosecution, Parmely said that by the time she met Audige at the Chateau of Spain restaurant in Newark during the summer of 2000, she was already processing fraudulent claims for another woman, Maria Bravim of Harrison. Parmely testified that Bravim paid her $40,000 to $70,000 to process fraudulent work permits for as many as 50 illegal immigrants.

Bravim, a Brazilian national, pleaded guilty in August 2001 and is wanted by authorities after failing to appear at sentencing.

Several times a week, Parmely testified, she would wait until other employees had gone to lunch, then produce laminated Employment Authorization Cards for customers whose names she received from Bravim or Audige. The cards allow holders to live and work legally in the United States and are a crucial step toward permanent residency and citizenship.

After she began dating Audige, Parmely testified, she recruited another INS employee, Tonya Allen, to handle Audige's requests for a more lucrative product: passport stamps indicating an immigrant has been approved for legal permanent residency, or a green card.

But when she gave Allen $2,200 to stamp the first two passports, Parmely testified, Allen became angry because she thought the payoff was too small.

"She was angry because she had heard other persons doing things she was doing and she thought it wasn't enough," Parmely testified.

The government's case also included testimony by former INS information officer Michael Bridgeforth of Yonkers, N.Y., who agreed to cooperate with investigators after he was arrested for bilking $8,000 to $9,000 in application fees paid by immigrants seeking to legalize their status.

In a Nov. 18, 2001, meeting with Audige, Bridgeforth wore a recording device and secretly taped a conversation in which Audige handed him $2,000 and promised "you can make a lot of money" in exchange for helping him obtain fraudulent documents for his clients.

"There are a lot of people involved in schemes like this," Bridgeforth recounted Audige telling him. "He said he had other people that are working for him in the INS, as well."

Bridgeforth pleaded guilty to theft of government funds and awaits sentencing.

Yesterday, Allen, a former INS officer, testified she approved five to eight fraudulent green cards after receiving money from Parmely, a crime to which she pleaded guilty and served five months in federal prison. Allen, of Orange, repeatedly denied any involvement in Audige's alleged ring.

Under Resnick's repeated questioning, Allen, who earned a salary of $47,716 a year and declared bankruptcy in January 2000, told of purchasing two Lexus automobiles, a Mercedes and a $250,000 home later that year.

Asked repeatedly about bank records showing she deposited in her personal checking account more than $34,000 in 18 cash payments between April and November 2000, Allen stated she was not sure who had given her the money.

"Not sure, maybe my family," Allen responded at least eight times.

One of Audige's clients, Ravinder Singh of India, testified he overstayed a tourist visa, then paid Audige $10,000 to obtain a green card.

Singh said he knew he was ineligible for legal residency because his wife, a lesbian U.S. citizen whom he paid $2,000 to marry him and sponsor him for a green card, left him a week before their scheduled interview with INS officials.

Despite attending the interview by himself and having none of the required paperwork, Singh said he received his passport stamp and later, a green card, in the mail.

When the INS was disbanded last March, its duties were folded into the new Department of Homeland Security. Workers who handled benefits like green cards were transferred to the DHS' Citizenship and Immigration Services bureau. INS’s Border Patrol has been combined with Customs. Most of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms was given to the US Department of Justice to repay them for their loss in numbers. In a Bureaucracy, numbers of employees signifies power.

And the game of musical chairs continues."(snip)



15 posted on 04/06/2006 2:57:07 AM PDT by twidle (Just because everybody does it doesn't make it ok!!)
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Lovely.

L

16 posted on 04/06/2006 3:14:53 AM PDT by Lurker (In God I trust. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

If any kind of guest worker-amnesty program passes there will be a tsunami of document fraud. Much greater than what we have now.


17 posted on 04/06/2006 3:19:18 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: Marine Inspector
Logically there is no problem to the repatriation of the illegals, the airline operators dream is a full plane, Ryanair ( a budget European airline) can fly you from London to Spain return,in a new Boeing 737 for $12 (thats twelve US dollars)and in 2005 it paid its investors 12.78% now if some enterprising genius doubled that figure,($12) and because you have a government contract put on 500% profit and added a few more dollars for your friends that influence people and end up with a ticket price ( of course one way ) of two hundred and fifty dollars a seat, using a Panama reg. Company and old Russian 300 seat passenger planes that would bring in $75,000 a flight, at 50 flights a day at the end of the month you could get some Cadillac money, and after some of your aircraft had done there Communist thing and stopped working in mid- flight you might, just might reduce the amount of people willing to try there luck with the American Russian Roulette
18 posted on 04/06/2006 3:21:59 AM PDT by jerryem (quote.if you had to fly this Topolov you would be drunk too.(Russian pilot))
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To: dennisw
And if the worker-amnesty program passes the GOP can kiss my vote goodbye.

L

19 posted on 04/06/2006 3:22:30 AM PDT by Lurker (In God I trust. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

Promises of enforcement are always lies. GWBush would always be trying to eliminate additional funding for more Border Patrol agents. All these bills are real nice to illegal aliens. They'll be rubber stamped through the process if the workload and document fraud becomes too great.

But when it comes to simple enforcement such as a Mexican border fence ($20 billion tops) the American people can never get any action


20 posted on 04/06/2006 3:30:43 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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