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Woman Who Flies to South Dakota to Do Abortions Unapologetic, Won't Quit
LifeNews.com ^ | April 4, 2006 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/05/2006 11:39:05 AM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: Skooz
Yeah, it's sad. Think of the emotional trauma all for nothing or for money.

This guy, John, knows it all too well. He was pregnant twice - fathered by dead beat dads.


41 posted on 04/05/2006 1:10:47 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: GovernmentShrinker
As for medical students, since abortions are fairly often needed in preeclampsia cases to save the life of the mother (and the fetus would rarely survive anyway), it would be irresponsible not to teach the basic procedure to medical students. They also need to know how to abort ectopic pregnancies, which if not terminated, are also usually either lethal to both mother and fetus, or lethal to the fetus and leave the mother with impaired fertility.

Abortions are almost never done for preeclampsia. Most preeclampsia can be managed with bedrest and meds. When necessary for severe preeclampsia, induction of labor is used, with the understanding that a baby less than 28 weeks might not make it. The point is, an abortion is not being performed. Likewise, your "ectopic pregancy" argument is not valid. An ectopic pregancy occurs in the fallopian tube or peritoneal cavity, not the uterus, thus abortion techniques such as D&C, D&E are not applicable. Ectopics are treated with laparoscopic or open salpingotomy/salpingectomy. Yes, the baby is unfortunately killed, but as you pointed out, it would not survive anyway. But, again, this is not an "abortion" and not a reason to teach med students "abortion techniques".
42 posted on 04/05/2006 1:17:06 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: HamiltonJay

I've know women who had preeclampsia during pregnancy, but none of them aborted their children. I had a tubal pregnancy which ruptured -- it was a surgical procedure in the hospital to remove the tube. Nothing like a saline abortion.


43 posted on 04/05/2006 1:17:58 PM PDT by Chanticleer (Purple Mountains Maj and I will take your black jelly beans if you don't want them.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Wow, that's a big leap. I'm guessing that you are attacking from some strict position on genetics? And, I'm sure you would not consider psychology or any other environmental factors one bit.

We are robots, eh... bound by the parameters etched in our genetics.

44 posted on 04/05/2006 1:22:43 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Idisarthur

Right, and I suppose you also think that when you pay your dentist $100 for a filling, the dentist pockets $100. Because s/he doesn't have to pay rent or mortgage on the office space, has no other staff to pay, no utility bills, no equipment purchase and servicing costs, no insurance, no taxes. Uh huh, right.

Revenues are not the same thing as profit. Many businesses take in huge revenues while losing money or breaking even, and even very profitable businesses show profits at a tiny fraction of their revenues. And a doctor performing an abortion doesn't get anywhere near the amount the patient pays, even as revenue, much less as profit.


45 posted on 04/05/2006 1:28:40 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Chanticleer; armydoc
Thanks for the posts and the interesting information.

I recall one case where information or misinformation was given to a friend of mine. She was told to get an abortion. The abortion was performed.

After consulting with others with experience in the field and learning the terminology, years later, it dawned on her that she didn't need an abortion.

The doctor probably wanted practice with a dilation & curettage.

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You have crooked auto mechanics

crooked lawyers

crooked dentists

crooked abortionists/MDs

46 posted on 04/05/2006 1:37:00 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Ryan Spock; TheMom; TChris; Xenalyte; Semper Vigilantis; georgiadevildog; Chad Fairbanks; ...
Five of the sixteen said this was not their first abortion and one woman was having her fourth abortion that day.

Thanks! to NCSteve for picking up this Mangled Language gem!

47 posted on 04/05/2006 1:52:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT)
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To: Caleb1411

Maybe she should be profiled in Soldier of Fortune. Killer for hire.


48 posted on 04/05/2006 2:01:51 PM PDT by jw777
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To: AlanSC

Preeclampsia: http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic480.htm

Ectopic or "tubal" pregnancies are those which implant in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus. If not terminated very early, severe damage to the tube is guaranteed (it's often permanently blocked even after a very timely termination). If not terminated before the size of the fetus causes the tube to rupture, severe and even fatal internal bleeding can result, and surgery to repair the rupture and retrieve the dead fetus carries a significant chance of serious infection. These pregnancies are quite common, and now usually terminated with methotrexate (similar to RU486), rather than surgical abortion, since with the advent of routine ultrasound screening, they can be caught early enough for that method.

Preeclampsia and ectopics certainly account for a small percentage of abortions performed, but still quite a large number. In third world countries where prenatal care is basically non-existent, there are a huge number of maternal (and fetal) deaths from these causes. In developed countries, mild preeclampsia is usually manageable, but more severe preeclampsia often requires "delivery" well before the point of fetal viability. Where the pregnancy is far enough along that the fetus could possibly survive, this will indeed take the form of a premature delivery rather than an abortion, but if it's before the third trimester calling it a "delivery" is just a euphemism for therapeutic abortion, especially since fetal growth is retarded by anything beyond very mild preeclampsia, so the fetus' actual development level and size will be behind the norm for the number of weeks into the pregnancy.

What really is "one in a million" is the cases where "partial birth" third trimester abortion provides the best chance to save the life of a mother (who would have to be in virtually critical condition to begin with, to have her life be further endangered by a natural or C-section delivery).


49 posted on 04/05/2006 2:02:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Centurion2000
Sounds like someone needs to arrest her for breaking the law.

The SD law has been stayed by the courts pending the outcome of the legal battle.

Standard procedure when the Constitutionality of a law is challenged.

50 posted on 04/05/2006 2:04:20 PM PDT by Potowmack ("In politics, madame, you need two things: friends, but above all an enemy." Brian Mulroney)
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To: AlanSC

See my post #45 about the fees. The person actually performing the abortion does not collect the fee that the patient pays, just as with any other type of medical procedure.


51 posted on 04/05/2006 2:04:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Potowmack

I asked him what law she was breaking, and I never got an answer. The SD law isn't scheduled to go into effect until July 1st, in any case.


52 posted on 04/05/2006 2:05:51 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: GovernmentShrinker
abortions are fairly often needed in preeclampsia cases to save the life of the mother

When, like, 100 years ago?

Preeclampsia can be treated without sacrificing the fetus.

Theraputic abortion to save the life of the mother is extremely rare.

53 posted on 04/05/2006 2:09:38 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 39-43)
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To: Alouette
"Theraputic abortion to save the life of the mother is extremely rare."

This has nothing to do with medicine. Liberal Feminism is a religion to these people, and abortion it's high sacrament. This lady, no doubt, views herself as a missionary spreading her gospel to the people of South Dakota.

54 posted on 04/05/2006 2:12:53 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Tax-chick

"one woman was having her fourth abortion that day"

Sounds like she has a day pass.


55 posted on 04/05/2006 2:20:50 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Idisarthur

There are multiple factors that determine how a person behaves, but genetics and epigenetic programming are very real factors. Take two short-fused pit bulls and breed them with each other, and the offspring will nearly all be short-fused pit bulls, no matter how you raise them from puppyhood. People who don't believe that tend to get their faces (or their children's faces) ripped off by their "sweet" pet pit bull. It can be very dangerous to believe that "it's all in how they're raised", whether you're talking about pit bulls or people.


56 posted on 04/05/2006 2:24:11 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Alouette

Depends how severe the preeclampsia is, and what stage the pregnancy is at when it becomes severe. No doubt in many cases, the procedure is carried out as a "delivery", but there's no meaningful difference between a therapeutic abortion and an induced delivery of a clearly non-viable fetus.


57 posted on 04/05/2006 2:32:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Caleb1411
McCreary claims she talks some women out of having an abortion who she thinks are not ready for it. She alleged she has told some to consider adoption rather than coming back for an abortion.

Wow - what a great humanitarian.

I hope she bought stock in asbestos because she's going to need it where's she's going.
58 posted on 04/05/2006 2:34:23 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Someday we'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
We're realistic about the parenting abilities of women who can't seem to stop getting pregnant when they don't want to be...

Who exactly do you mean by "we?"

59 posted on 04/05/2006 2:46:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: RegulatorCountry

Very clever!


60 posted on 04/05/2006 3:15:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT)
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