Posted on 04/03/2006 8:13:43 AM PDT by doug from upland
An example of reelection politics.
BTTT
Why didn't the defense find it? Hmmmm. Poor attorneys? On one of the most high-profile cases in American history? Seems unlikely. I'm just saying, it's like the JFK assassination: when you start probing a little further, you end up implicating hundreds and hundreds of honest Americans. But, I'll continue to look at the stuff as it emerges.
Again, lots of "likely" and "possibly" and "maybe," like shooters on a grassy knoll. What we have, though, are TWO defense attorneys in separate cases who had both a legal and financial incentive to make this case---not air tight, hell, all they had to do was create "reasonable doubt," but they couldn't even do that. That says a LOT.
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Juries can only consider evidence prsented to them in court. In all these instances, the prosecutors filtered the evidence very heavily to obtain the (predetermined, IMO) results they and their masters wanted.
Read the transcripts of the McVeigh trial, for instance. Of the nearly two dozen eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh in OKC, none (zero, zip, nada) of them were allowed to testify.
Why? Because all of those witnesses had testified (deposed) that McVeigh had someone else with him!
I have a question: Did you read the book The Third Terrorist? I believe it will answer a lot of your questions.
I own the book and lent it to people in my neighborhood who thought I was a nut. And two of them were democrats. After they read the book, they thought the war in Iraq was justified and they found Jayna's research compelling.
Perhaps McVeigh, who always thought of himself as a patriot, did not want to disclose information that would associate himself with foreign terrorists and brand him as a traitor.
McVeigh did serve in the Gulf War. However, he questioned whether he was doing the right thing. He said in an interview, ""I thought ... what right did I have to come over to this person's country and kill him? How did he ever transgress against me?"
"What did we do to Sudan? What did we do to Afghanistan? Belgrade? What are we doing with the death penalty? It appears they use violence as an option all the time."
Asked whether it is acceptable for citizens to use violence if the government uses it, he said, "I'll let my explanation stand for itself."
IMO McVeigh would rather be viewed as a patriot taking on the USG over Ruby Ridge and Waco than assisting AQ and Iraq in retribution for the Gulf War.
Bumping you.
Do you have a ping list for the OKC bombing?
If so, please add me to the list.
They pretty much already have, complete with the X on the map
Credit freeper Bush is the Man:
McVeigh Cites Osama Bin Laden in Letter to Fox News
Friday, April 27, 2001 1:41 a.m. EDT
A month after a former NBC News reporter went public with evidence of links between Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Middle Eastern terrorist Osama bin Laden, McVeigh himself has cited bin Laden in a letter to the Fox News Channel.
Responding to questions from FNC's Rita Cosby, McVeigh rejected some of the labels that have been applied to him, then tossed in the chilling reference to the notorious Muslim terrorist.
"Most of the insults are meritless and quite often absurd, so I don't pay them much attention," wrote McVeigh. "Hitler? Absurd. (Geraldo Rivera uses this same analogy, so Keating and Ashcroft are in good company!) Coward? This label would make Orwell proud – it is double think at its finest. Collateral Damage? As an American news junkie; a military man; and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? (It sure as hell wasn't Osama Bin Laden!)"
In the next sentence, McVeigh mentioned convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef, in perhaps another indication of a Middle Eastern connection to his own crime.
"For all else, I would refer you to my enclosed paper 'Hypocrisy,' and to Ramzi Yousef's statement to the court just prior to his sentencing. I filter all labels and insults thusly."
In the Jan. 8, 1998, court statement to which McVeigh referred, Yousef proclaimed, "Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government," before being sentenced to 240 years in jail.
Last month former NBC reporter Jayna Davis told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly that compelling evidence links McVeigh to a Middle Eastern terrorist cell ultimately controlled by bin Laden.
And, as ever,
FWIW, thanks to a pending visit, I'm planning to make another "granddaughters in the hammock" photo soon! :-)
Um, McVeigh had a defense attorney, right? Isn't it his job to call those people? Did he not know about them? If not, was he that stupid?
See #94.
It's like Pearl Harbor and FDR "knowing." You ought to see the rage by the decrypters and decoders when someone suggests that we "knew" and that these decrypts were passed on to FDR, because it IMPLICATES everyone of them as dishonest and killers. Well, to an extent, that is what this means for FOUR juries.
I say again, I remain open, but very, very cautiously so.
Again, think of it this way: all EITHER attorney had to do was to introduce just enough evidence to create reasonable doubt and McVeigh doesn't die and Nichols gets a lighter sentence.
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