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FairTax offers more freedom, more wealth
LA Chronicle ^ | April 2, 2006 | Mike Dickson

Posted on 04/03/2006 3:27:33 AM PDT by Man50D

April 2, 2006 Please do this experiment with me. Take a look at your last week's pay stub. See that nice big figure on top? O.K. I know it's customary to complain about salaries. See that relatively nice big figure on top? Now look at all the figures below that start eating away at your pay, leaving you with the hungry little number at the bottom. Draw a line through all those pay-stealing numbers and circle your gross pay in red. That's the amount you would receive under the FairTax.

That's right. No deductions for Social Security, no income tax, no payroll tax. No federal tax of any kind. Of course, if you have deductions for health insurance, IRA or any other saving plan, they would remain, as well as any state tax.

It's your money. Why should you have to hand it over to Uncle Sam? O.K. We do need government for some things -- like defense.

But that's not even the point. Under the FairTax, government would still receive the same amount of revenue that it receives now -- from a national consumption tax. Imagine -- no more Big Brother IRS looking over your shoulder, harassing you for every clerical error. No more politicians micromanaging your life by giving you tax breaks if you live your life according to their whims, or punishing you if you don't.

You get to choose when and for what you pay tax. Only new goods and services would be taxed, not income, and not used goods. The poor would still get a break -- in fact, they would be better off, along with most taxpayers and the entire U.S. economy. Every household would receive a monthly pre-bate equal to the taxes on necessities up to the poverty level.

Not only that -- every item would be cheaper, because built-in federal taxes would be eliminated -- so the poor would have more money to pay for cheaper goods. Of course there's no free lunch -- the sales tax would be hefty -- 23 percent. But the benefits would be substantial.

For instance: With the elimination of the enormous, bulky IRS monster, the cost of tax compliance would be drastically reduced. Today, hidden income taxes and the cost of complying with the federal income tax represents 20 percent of all retail prices. Built-in taxes raise the price of everything you buy. Corporations simply pass the cost along to the consumer. With those built-in taxes eliminated, prices will fall.

And that creates another bonus -- increased exports of U.S. products, not U.S. jobs. When products become cheaper due to the absence of built-in taxes, they will be more attractive in overseas markets. That benefits the domestic work force. At the same time, foreign goods would become more expensive, because the FairTax would be applied to them. That would further increase U.S. exports.

The FairTax would also tap a new, unexpected revenue source -- criminal activity. Criminal wealth is currently not taxed, because criminal income, of course, is not reported. But when criminals spend their ill-gotten gain for new goods and services, that money would be taxed. This untapped criminal revenue is conservatively estimated at one trillion dollars.

Finally, the IRS estimates that 25 percent of taxpayers avoid paying their fair share. The FairTax would be significantly more difficult to avoid, less cumbersome, less onerous, and would no doubt encourage more compliance.

Because the FairTax would be, well, fair.

Mike Dickson is a FairTax supporter. He can be reached at free@cybersol.com

For more information go to: www.fairtax.org or call 1-800-FAIRTAX.


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1 posted on 04/03/2006 3:27:34 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...

Fair Tax Ping!


2 posted on 04/03/2006 3:28:20 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D
I like it but I can't see the politicians and the Gucci lobbyists giving up their power to make our tax laws even more incomprehensible. That's why no one ever reads the IRS Code. No one can understand a word of it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

3 posted on 04/03/2006 3:39:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Man50D

"Built-in taxes raise the price of everything you buy. Corporations simply pass the cost along to the consumer."


yeah, right


4 posted on 04/03/2006 3:45:07 AM PDT by bencarter
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To: bencarter
They're called hidden taxes.... its form of inflation. When politicians say they're going to give you a tax cut, ask them if they'll reduced the embedded taxes you have to pay. And watch them avoid answering the question.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

5 posted on 04/03/2006 3:47:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I'm not saying the government isn't adding a lot of taxes, I just doubt we'd see prices go down. If people are used to paying $5 for a cheeseburger, they'll keep paying, and the compnay gets the extra.


6 posted on 04/03/2006 3:50:04 AM PDT by bencarter
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To: bencarter
I'm not saying the government isn't adding a lot of taxes, I just doubt we'd see prices go down. If people are used to paying $5 for a cheeseburger, they'll keep paying, and the compnay gets the extra.

You're not considering one very important factor called competition. It will only take a small number of companies in an industry to pass on the cost savings to their customers that will either force the remaining companies to do likewise or lose business.
7 posted on 04/03/2006 3:55:38 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: bencarter

Who pays $5 for a cheeseburger???


8 posted on 04/03/2006 4:11:02 AM PDT by bikerman
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To: Man50D

One thing not mentioned. Even illegals would have to pay the tax, but since they are undocumented, they wouldn't get the benefit of a prebate either. Poor bastards (not)...I guess the incentive to come here illegally just vanished. Fair Tax is the way to go.


9 posted on 04/03/2006 4:26:22 AM PDT by Frenetic
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To: Man50D

taxes suck. I really feel bent over with no lunrication. I don't know how to make them stop hurting my backside... I vote for people who "say" they will do what I believe they will but do the exact opposite once they get into office further bending me over...


10 posted on 04/03/2006 4:28:31 AM PDT by dubie
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To: bencarter
would some companies keep the extra profit? sure. But it just takes one company in every industry who is looking for increased market share and now has 20% of wiggle room in dropping his prices and then my friend the free market works her magic.

Even if they drop prices by 10% and pocket the rest we still benefit from it.
11 posted on 04/03/2006 4:49:50 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: Man50D
You're not considering one very important factor called competition.

Yes, indeedy. This response squarely addresses the common fear that business would not pass along savings to the consumer. People who harbor this fear simply don't understand how the market works. They seem to think that businesses operate in a social vacuum. Businesses don't pass on savings to the consumers because they WANT to; the do it because they MUST, or watch their business evaporate before their eyes.

12 posted on 04/03/2006 4:55:54 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: bencarter
>>>>"If people are used to paying $5 for a cheeseburger, they'll keep paying, and the compnay gets the extra."<<<<

If that is the case I or someone like me would open a Burger Joint and sell them for $4.75.
If they don't lower their price, they are not competitive, they go out of business.

TT
13 posted on 04/03/2006 5:43:53 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Frenetic

>>>>"One thing not mentioned. Even illegals would have to pay the tax, but since they are undocumented, they wouldn't get the benefit of a prebate either. Poor bastards (not)...I guess the incentive to come here illegally just vanished. Fair Tax is the way to go"<<<<

DITTOS!


14 posted on 04/03/2006 5:46:25 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant
If that is the case I or someone like me would open a Burger Joint and sell them for $4.75. If they don't lower their price, they are not competitive, they go out of business.

The problem is most taxes are paid by individuals, not businesses. The fairtax research assumed wages would go down with taxes so the take home pay would be stay the same. The reality is most of the savings will not go to businesses, therefore prices will not come down nearly as much as fairtaxers claim. The cost paid by consumers will be quite a bit higher the fairtax even with competition.

15 posted on 04/03/2006 5:51:16 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: bencarter
If people are used to paying $5 for a cheeseburger, they'll keep paying, and the company gets the extra.

Right up until a competitor figures out that he can sell more cheeseburgers by lowering his price, which of course will force the guy selling fewer cheeseburgers at $5 a pop, to reconsider his pricing structure.

16 posted on 04/03/2006 5:55:25 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Always Right
>>>"The cost paid by consumers will be quite a bit higher the fairtax even with competition."<<<<

No it won't.

And I just gave as much proof to support my argument as you did.

TT
17 posted on 04/03/2006 6:28:40 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant
No it won't. And I just gave as much proof to support my argument as you did.

Just how fair is the 'FairTax'?
September 7, 2005: 12:28 PM EDT
By Pat Regnier, Money magazine

(Excerp)......

We'll explain this bit about "embedded taxes" in a moment. But first, let's consider what Boortz and Linder appear to be saying. Prices at the store are the same. Your boss stops taking all that money out of your paycheck. Uncle Sam is sending you money instead. And, oh yeah, the government is still up and running.

This just can't happen. "It is practically and logically impossible for the government be collecting the same amount of money as before and have everyone suddenly be better off," says Daniel Shaviro, a tax law professor at New York University.

Part of the problem is the way Boortz and Linder are using the idea of embedded taxes. In an eight-year-old study paid for by AFFT, Harvard economist Dale Jorgenson noted that because the taxes paid by everyone in the chain of production are embedded in the cost of goods, prices could decline an average of 20 percent if all those taxes were scrapped. The FairTax Book devotes an entire chapter to this idea.

What The FairTax Book fails to mention is that prices can only fall this sharply if companies cut wages. I asked Jorgenson about this, and he agreed. Say your salary is $100,000 a year today, but you take home $80,000 after taxes.

Your company is still paying that extra $20,000. In a FairTax world, it will save that money, and be able to lower its prices accordingly, only if it can reduce your salary to $80,000. In other words, your take-home pay is the same as before. Sure, you'd get to "keep 100 percent of your paycheck," as Boortz and Linder repeatedly write, but it would be a smaller paycheck. That's kind of a big thing to leave out.

I pressed the point with Boortz and Linder. Boortz denies that the book intentionally overpromises. The introduction, he notes, emphasizes that "this book isn't about saving a penny in taxes." But he concedes that the book is confusing about this, and vows to correct it in later printings. Fair enough.

18 posted on 04/03/2006 6:37:55 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
So in your Zero Sum World, this money just evaporates or goes to who?

If you follow this logic all the way through the FairTax is Transparent, you, I and everyone else can see Exactly what our Taxes are at all times. You can't HIDE anything and Competition will Guarantee that it remains that way.
19 posted on 04/03/2006 6:47:47 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Always Right
>"Your company is still paying that extra $20,000..."


-This point is only partially valid.

Money magazine ignores the 7.5% paid by the company into FICA, plus corporate income taxes, both of which no longer would be expenses passed on to the consumer, Each business pays those same embedded taxes passed on to them by their suppliers and subcontractors.
Utimately the consumer pays these taxes anyway, plus the corporate tax lawyers and accountants, and etc.
20 posted on 04/03/2006 6:57:20 AM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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