Posted on 03/28/2006 1:01:32 PM PST by doug from upland
bttt and ping
No, not national ID.
What does it take to buy a gun?
You can also post them here:
http://www.wehirealiens.com/
Travel I-10 between Tucson and Phoenix, or AZ 90 out of Sierra Vista, and you'll see billboards with the number for the BP to report illegals.
Putting up the same info to report employers? Yeah, good idea.
SS already has the database all they have to do is make it availiale. It was over 30 years ago that they started fining employers (I think they quit the practice) $50 if they made a mistake in a name or SS# on the federal report.
Mesa PD were ticketing people who stopped/hired illegals in Mesa today. My understanding is 3 or 4 cars were stopped on the spot and ticketed while another dozen or so had license plate photos turned over to Mesa PD. Its a start.AWB
I've been here long enough to remember the orange and lemon groves.
Everytime wages go up, more people come off of unemployment and entitlement programs. We currently have over 12 million out-of-work citizens. Rising costs can be offset by price increases. Inflation?
Yes. But also a relief on the demand for social programs (which typically kills Dems at the polls on election day). Also think how much more money will be spent in local economies if $20 Billion per year in earnings isn't being sent back over the border.
You can turn these companies in anonymously without threat of them retaliating. Any form of retaliation for the reporting of a crime is witness intimidation, and a serious criminal offense. It can also be the basis for civil suits if it causes you financial damage.
Don't be a victim.
Yes, it is a start. For them to do that, however, the mayor or city council had to authorize it. That will obviously never happen in Los Angeles.
Dale, guys...
Do any of you remember the post from Fall of '04, I think, that dealt with the Master Suspense File? That is the record of uncollected or unmatched FICA withholding from all employers nationwide.
The article said that companies in five major industries - AgroBusiness, Food Service, Hospitality, etc. - had a massive presence in the MSF. When Congress tried to get the IRS/SSA to cough up the names of the businesses, Congressmen were told that the Social Security Administration was under no legal obligation to disclose that information. Speculation put ConAgra and Tyson at the top of the list of violators.
Forging a New Use for Civil RICO
A Chicago attorney's suits on behalf of valid workers could pay off
Gary Young
The National Law Journal
07-09-2004
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Despite a string of defeats before federal trial judges, Howard W. Foster has doggedly pressed on with a type of litigation he pioneered: using RICO to target companies that allegedly hire undocumented workers for the purpose of driving down wages.
His persistence appears to be paying off. Foster, a shareholder at Chicago's Johnson & Bell, has brought five Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act suits since 1999, usually on behalf of employees with valid work authorization. Four were dismissed at an early stage by trial judges. But in three of those cases, Foster has persuaded federal appellate courts to reinstate his suits.
Last month, for instance, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals gave the green light to Foster's lawsuit against poultry giant Tyson Foods Inc. of Springdale, Ark. Trollinger v. Tyson Foods Inc., No. 02-6020.
In April, Foster won his first victory in a district court. Judge Harold Murphy of the Northern District of Georgia denied a motion to dismiss brought by Mohawk Industries Inc., a Calhoun, Ga., maker of rugs and carpets. Williams v. Mohawk Industries Inc., No. 04-CV-0003.
THE 'GO-TO' FIRM
If Foster is the go-to guy for plaintiffs, then Sidley Austin Brown & Wood seems to have become the go-to firm for companies sued by Foster.
The firm represents Mohawk, Tyson and, in a third case, IBP Inc., a meat-processing company bought by Tyson in 2001. Frank R. Volpe, a partner in Sidley Austin's Washington office who represents Tyson in Trollinger, said he is disappointed in the 6th Circuit decision, but predicts that as the evidence unfolds Foster will be denied class certification and will lose on summary judgment.
Tyson had hoped the 6th Circuit would rule that Foster's claims were pre-empted by the National Labor Relations Act, and that the proper party to bring such a suit was the employees' union, not the employees themselves.
In February, the 7th Circuit had tossed out the IBP suit because the employees' union was a necessary party. Baker v. IBP Inc., 357 F.3d 685.
But the 6th Circuit demurred, pointing to the "critical fact that Tyson directly employed and directly paid plaintiffs."
The union -- the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union -- is still likely to play a role in the litigation, but as a witness. The 6th Circuit warned that it will be difficult to prove that Tyson dictated wage rates, given the union's role in negotiations.
As Volpe put it, "We believe that the union negotiated these contracts in good faith and at arm's length. We believe the union will ultimately support the company." The union did not return messages seeking comment.
Volpe asserted that Foster's suit would falter on the same lack of evidence that did in the federal government's criminal prosecution of Tyson and three of its managers on immigration-related charges in March 2003.
A Chattanooga, Tenn., jury -- presided over by U.S. District Judge R. Allan Edgar, who also has Trollinger on his docket -- exonerated the defendants. Tyson showed that a few supervisors were to blame for violations, and that the company fully cooperated with the authorities when it learned of the wrongdoing, Volpe said.
Foster said that the issues and thus the evidence are not the same under RICO, and that, in any event, his civil suit is not burdened with the requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
He said he will not ask the United Food and Commercial Workers (which represents IBP employees) to join in his suit. The UFCW did not return messages asking for comment.
Foster scored two other circuit court victories before Trollinger.
In Commercial Cleaning Services LLC v. Colin Service Systems Inc., 271 F.3d 374, Foster represented Commercial Cleaning Services, which alleged that its competitor, Colin Services Systems, was able to undercut its bids by hiring illegal immigrants. In Mendoza v. Zirkle Fruit Co., 301 F.3d 1163, Foster represents documented agricultural workers against a group of Washington state fruit growers and packers.
The 2nd and 9th circuits both reversed district court rulings that the alleged connections between the defendants' hiring practices and the plaintiffs' injuries were too speculative to support a lawsuit. Commercial discontinued its suit after its 2nd Circuit victory.
Right. In fact over 50% of the legal hispanic voters have voted for laws that curtail IA's (e.g., Prop 200 Az, Prop 187 Ca.).
I believe Social Security now is set up to check SSNs for employers, both by phone and if the employer sets up an account the employer can upload an entire database of employees to have their numbers checked. It is not required that the employer do this, but the system is in place. I hope soon it will be a requirement.
BIG FAT No!
That's a great website. I see many businesses I need to boycott and let them know why. (I just hope the site has some proof in case of a lawsuit.)
thanks for the script for phone calls and letters. And the criminal code information - it always helps to sound knowledgable (something the protestors forgot).
Will doing this make me a vigilante? I sure hope so!!
Just as there is a "Better Business Bureau" and a "Seal of Good Housekeeping", or" ISO9002" couldn't there be an organization that investigates and awards "Immigration Good Citizen" certifications to stick on business windows?
they can be, but they won't be.....with Gonzalez and Cherthoff, we can't even get the Taliban Chief Propagandist deported. (or sent to Gitmo, where he belongs)
This is what our spineless Congress critters need to be working on.
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