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Posted on 03/23/2006 5:07:45 AM PST by gunnyg

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To: SZonian

Once upon a time I was an Army cadet. Then the Clinton Junta seized control of the State and cut off scholarships to the program I was in.

I was taught, however, that one only salutes while in uniform.

No offense taken, I wasn't affiliated long enough for recall to become an issue.


81 posted on 03/23/2006 8:51:34 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
a lock my best salute, until someone yells "TO" or the music stops, or I just pass out.

In the Navy on base you had better hold that salute till the long note at the end.

82 posted on 03/23/2006 9:25:55 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: gunnyg

The way the National Anthem is "presently" rendered at most ballgames, with a "personal rendition" by the performer, requires a rigid middle digit salute.


83 posted on 03/23/2006 9:31:31 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: gunnyg

I'm glad I scrolled the thread, Guns....If that pic wasn't here, I was gonna post it.


84 posted on 03/23/2006 9:35:50 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: N. Theknow
a rigid middle digit salute.
LOL! YES it does!
85 posted on 03/23/2006 10:26:28 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Mike Darancette
The Navy is certainly a different group.

My wing went TDY to the Navy base in Key West in 1979. You guys have so many different uniforms I couldn't tell who to salute and who not to salute.
Quite embarrassing as an E-5 to get crawled by a LTJG for missing a salute.
Then I made the mistake of saluting a CPO once. They had their rank on their hat and I swear it looked like an officer. After that we ditched our uniforms anytime we were not working.
I still have no idea how many different uniforms and how many different ways you guys wear your rank.

We had a lot of fun, made a number of good friends, and really enjoyed the chow!
86 posted on 03/23/2006 10:40:35 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Then I made the mistake of saluting a CPO once.

I'll bet he razzed you for that. Look for the gold hat band, no gold, no salute. Anyway CPOs just look salty.

87 posted on 03/23/2006 10:45:48 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Steel Wolf; gunnyg
The hand salute is for uniformed military personnel, not civilians.

Bingo. Even active duty OUT OF UNIFORM do not salute.

Nothing wrong with hand over heart, it's every bit as respectful and completely appropriate.

88 posted on 03/23/2006 10:50:44 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: GrandEagle

On January 11 of this year we buried my grandfather. He, like your friend's dad, was quite a man and quite the patriot. He spoke of his time in the US Navy during WW II often to my kids and my 9 yo son took a particularly keen interest in his great-grandfather's service. IOW, he was a living hero in my son's eyes. At his funeral, he was given military honors. Now my 9 yo son didn't know about proper protocol and such so when the bugler began playing Taps he "stood at attention" as grandpa had shown him in the past and he saluted. He held his salute until the flag was presented to my grandmother. I noticed other vets there; some in full dress and some with just their hats and some saluted and some held their hands over their hearts. All of them noticed my little boy who stood graveside with tears streaming down his face while saluting his grandfather and the flag. Now, he didn't do everything according to protocol. He began his salute when Taps was played, but his salute was a heartfelt honest reverence for his papa and the flag. One of grandpa's friends and my next door neighbor, John Mims, a Bataan deathmarch survior, said he has seen many things in his life that moved him but not many made him choke up anymore. He said watching my son pay his respects to his grandpa and the flag brought tears to his eyes.


89 posted on 03/23/2006 11:02:15 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Mike Darancette
I'll bet he razzed you for that.
A bit of an understatement. He did inform me rather forcefully that he worked for a living. LOL!
90 posted on 03/23/2006 12:43:07 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: PleaseNoMore
Thanks for the story... Nearly brought tears to my eyes just reading it.

Cordially,
GE
91 posted on 03/23/2006 12:45:05 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: markomalley

This is what I was taught in '65.

7.37.2.3. When in civilian clothing outdoors, take the same action as when in uniform, but use the following manner of saluting. Men remove the headdress with the right hand and hold it at the left shoulder with the right hand over the heart. Men without hats and women salute by standing at attention and placing the right hand over the heart.

7.37.2.4. When in civilian clothing indoors, render the civilian salute by standing at attention and placing the right hand over the heart.


92 posted on 03/23/2006 1:13:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: markomalley
7.37.2.4 seems to intimate that while in civilian attire, indoors, one does not remove the headdress, and render salute with hand over heart. Only the previous reg (outdoors) stipulates the headdress be removed.
93 posted on 03/23/2006 1:14:32 PM PST by raygun
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To: Steel Wolf

Is there a protocol for uniformed civilians to salute? I often see Boy Scouts, uniformed cops, and even fire chiefs in dress uniform saluting at various events.


94 posted on 03/23/2006 1:18:24 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: raygun

In polite settings, the males remove their headgear while indoors (unless they are under arms)


95 posted on 03/23/2006 2:52:20 PM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: gunnyg

From what I have seen from several sources thus far--my own messageboards, messageboards where I have posted this info, and other messageboards where others have also posted this info, plus my own e-mail and e-mail from others--the response is overwhelmingly in favor of the hand salute over the hand over heart--both retirees and veterans alike.

I would point out that there is apparently no organized effort as such on this thing, General Lewis has simply sent out e-mail and veterans and retired military responding; some stating that they will introduce the material to their military service organizations, etc. That is, in fact, what the general has suggested. In the event this develops into some sort of unified/organized movement, I would like to know about it, as I do have numerous messageboards/websites online.

Ref
Gunny G's...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/135069/

Please keep me informed.

Semper Fidelis
Dick Gaines
GyG
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97 posted on 03/26/2006 7:36:15 AM PST by gunnyg
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