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Anglican leader opposes creationism in schools
Jackson News-Tribune ^ | 21 March 2006 | Paul Majendie

Posted on 03/21/2006 8:10:55 AM PST by PatrickHenry

The spiritual leader of the world‘s Anglicans does not believe that creationism -- the Bible-based account of the world‘s origins -- should be taught in schools.

"I don‘t think it should, actually. No, No," said Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, reflecting on the bitter education debate over religion and science that has so divided the United States in particular.

Williams, head of a church which has no problem with the Darwinian theory of evolution, told the Guardian newspaper: "I think creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory, like other theories."

Asked if he was comfortable with the teaching of creationism in schools, the mild-mannered and usually cautious theologian said: "Not very. Not very."

In the battle to bring God into the classroom, Christian conservative supporters of creationism and intelligent design seek to deny or downgrade the importance of evolution.

Intelligent design proponents say that nature is so complex that it must have been the work of a creator rather than the result of random natural selection as outlined in Charles Darwin‘s theory of evolution.

Williams‘ stance echoes the position of the Roman Catholic Church, the world‘s largest single Christian denomination, which has weighed into the debate by praising a U.S. court decision that rejected the intelligent design theory as non-scientific.

Catholicism, which has never rejected evolution, teaches that God created the world and the natural laws by which life developed.

British businessman Peter Vardy has funded schools in northern England that came under attack for teaching creationism in biology classes.

But the creationist movement has certainly not taken hold as strongly in Britain as it has in the United States.

"Religion has become politicized in America. That is not the case here. This is not a major issue," religious commentator and broadcaster Clifford Longley told Reuters.

"There is no intellectual credibility given to creationism in this country. There is no parallel between English evangelicals and American evangelicals.

"When I wrote an article saying there were no creationists in Britain, they both wrote to me."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; heretic; rowanwilliams; scienceeducation
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Gentle reminder: Now hear this: No personal attacks (title of thread posted 15 March 2006 by Jim Robinson).
1 posted on 03/21/2006 8:10:58 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 03/21/2006 8:12:12 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm not an Anglican, but I'll take my allies where I can find them.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 8:12:41 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: PatrickHenry
Same subject posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600267/posts
4 posted on 03/21/2006 8:17:21 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Don't know what the reference to "no personal attacks" means,but I'll say what I have to say on this subject...regardless of whether or not it gets me banned on FR.

It surely doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that today's "leaders" of many of the mainstream Christian (and,I suspect,Jewish) denominations are,in fact,atheists.

And the leader of today's Anglican Church certainly seems to belong in that category.

5 posted on 03/21/2006 8:17:54 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Zeroisanumber

I am an Anglican, and agree with Rowan on this, but he is a weak sister and certainly able to be critized.

As a point of order, the Archbishop is NOT really the head of the Anglican church. More like a first among equals.

Part of the check-and-balance put in place because of the abuses they saw in the roman church, which was centralized.


6 posted on 03/21/2006 8:18:05 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Gay State Conservative

No, Rowan is not an atheist, but he is a weenie.

There's a difference.


7 posted on 03/21/2006 8:19:07 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: The_Victor
Same subject posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600267/posts

Darn. I searched on "Anglican" which is in the title. It looks like the article I posted is a bit different.

8 posted on 03/21/2006 8:20:12 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It surely doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that today's "leaders" of many of the mainstream Christian (and,I suspect,Jewish) denominations are,in fact,atheists.

Does that go for the Pope too? The Vatican's official stance is pro-Darwin.

Heh. Maybe Creationists will start cursing Main Stream Religion (MSR) like most of us curse MSM.

9 posted on 03/21/2006 8:21:57 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

Sorry,can't argue matters of religion with an atheist.Other matters,sure....but not religion.


10 posted on 03/21/2006 8:25:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: PatrickHenry
Darn. I searched on "Anglican" which is in the title. It looks like the article I posted is a bit different.

They're different. I don't think I ever received a good grade in science classes (or engineering for that matter) on the basis of effort. :)

11 posted on 03/21/2006 8:33:59 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
Actually, it's probably best if the creationists have their own thread on this topic. There should be less discord that way.
12 posted on 03/21/2006 8:34:13 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It surely doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that today's "leaders" of many of the mainstream Christian (and,I suspect,Jewish) denominations are,in fact,atheists.

What you say is probably true....But what difference does it make since the children in government schools are being denied an education oriented to making their way in this world.

Arguing about creationism or evoluition is re-arranging the deck chairs and will not put an end to the conspiricy of dems and teachers unions exchanging votes for money while children lose as a result.

13 posted on 03/21/2006 8:35:21 AM PST by pop-gun (A dumbed down population is more dangerous to our country than terrorism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Before you jump in with both feet, there's some things you need to know about Dr Rowan Williams.

He's a flaming left-winger. He supports the homosexual agenda. He favors palestinians more than Israelis. He's very pro-UN. There is not a liberal cause he's met that he didn't like.

So know that you are associating yourself with a flaming liberal before you dig in too deep.
14 posted on 03/21/2006 8:35:42 AM PST by JamesP81
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I got me the only true religion and everybody else is crawling in the muck of Satan - placemarker.


15 posted on 03/21/2006 8:39:54 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: JamesP81
So know that you are associating yourself with a flaming liberal before you dig in too deep.

Assuming you're right, it shows that even a gay liberal knows the difference between science and theology. I don't know why so many creationists can't also figure it out. Anyway, I think he's correct on the evolution issue. As for the rest, you can play the "guilt by association" game if you like. But it's nonsensical.

16 posted on 03/21/2006 8:42:37 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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"When I wrote an article saying there were no creationists in Britain, they both wrote to me."



hahahahahahaaa!!!


17 posted on 03/21/2006 8:42:45 AM PST by gomaaa
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To: PatrickHenry

So many nominal Christians are getting suckered into anti-God cults like Evolution, and Reincarnation. By the time they find out the truth it will be too late for them.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 8:46:34 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: PatrickHenry
Asked if he was comfortable with the teaching of creationism in schools, the mild-mannered and usually cautious theologian said: "Not very. Not very."

If that's his version of going out on a limb, I wonder what he would say if he were being circumspect.

"Not very comfortable" with it...does that mean he's "somewhat comfortable"? "Rather cozy if a bit damp, but it wears well"? "Comfortable in the main, but it chafes a bit 'round the edges"?

19 posted on 03/21/2006 8:54:24 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
Perhaps the Archbishop should stick to church politics and leave theology to theologians.
20 posted on 03/21/2006 8:55:30 AM PST by dartuser ("In 100 years the Bible will be forgotten and eliminated." - Voltaire (1694 - 1778))
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