Iraq is now in 'a terrible civil war', admits Allawi

telegraph ^ | 20/03/2006 | By Oliver Poole in Basra

[MaineVoter2002]

The first Iraqi "Jimmy Carter"?

[TexasTransplant]

I said it it is safer in Iraq or Afganistan than DC, Detroit or Los Angeles.

You continue to dig your own hole, if you don't mind I'll just stand back and watch you.

TT

[MacDorcha]

Your source omitted population.

Deaths in number mean nothing if you don't know the size of the sample.

10,000 deaths a day in a city like Detroit would be a catastrophy, yet on the global scale, it's a shrug and another day.

Your source only cites deaths *per day* and mentions nothing about population.

And aside frmo that, my numbers include the Iraqi population for a good reason-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1599393/posts?page=55#55

"It's safer to live there than Detroit."

Let that roll of your tounge a few times.

"...live there..."

Not fight there.

Not fly over.

Not even a bagle there.

*Live* there.

25 million people *live* there.

1 million *live* in Detroit.

But your source doesn't address this.

Hell, it doesn't even address 130 thousand troops.

For all we know (from your source), we had 800 troops there in the time referenced, and all but a few dozen died.

Your source is incomplete.

It is not useful.

It is not accurate.

It is therefore not only not pertinent to this conversation, but it is also misleading and even propagand in intent. (Or did you think a company like Google was a safe-haven for free-speech?)

[MacDorcha]

"This is the correct way to do the math. "

Not the original statement that sparked all of this had nothing to do with the troops.

[Liberal Bob]

Iraq has a little over 25 million people. The US nearly 300 million. If you were to normalize that, the 50 people killed a day would then be around 600.

Would we want to count the 4,000 abortions the U. S. has every day, 7 days a week? If we worked that backwards they would have to have 333 murders a day just to keep up with plan parenthood.

[MacDorcha]

"I hope you can see what's wrong with that."

You DO realize that was I was getting at, right?

This wasn't just some exercise to make me go crazy, was it?

Your source does not address the statement I made.

Not by any stretch. Yet you defend it as if it breaks down my entire logical standpoint.

Lets try this one more time.

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Living in Iraq is safer than living in Detroit.

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Go!

[ladyinred]

The talking points are out there in full force now aren't they? God deliver us from liberals with the power of the airwaves behind them.

[mancogasuki]

Sounds like somebody had a chip on their shoulder.

Or tanks in his streets....lol

[Allegra]

We need a boots on the ground report...

I'll start it off with my standard comment on this:

THERE IS NO CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ.

We're only speculating here...but we couldn't help but wonder since Allawi didn't get enough votes in the December elections to hold office, he needs some money. Perhaps someone in the MSM paid him a sweet amount of dough to say what he said? ;-)

Others in the government have repsonded saying just what I said in red above. I'm standing by that. I don't see any evidence of a civil war and neither do the Iraqis with whom I interract every day.

[Sender]

...became a fine master, Order of St Monica.

[pravknight]

That's not what my sister's boyfriend who was a veteran of the Battle of Fallujah said. He said his Marines were taking fire from Iraqis. He spent 2 years in Iraq.

He said a lot of them are Iraqi tribals from his first-hand experience who use weapons caches that Saddam's men buried during the war with Iran.

[MikefromOhio]

Fallujah is the exception and even then it wasn't all Iraqis.

AQ is solid throughout the Anbar region.

Hell sometimes the Iraqi tribes fire at AQ and AQ fires back at them.

[Verginius Rufus]

6780 deaths a day (excepting leap years).

How does having an extra day in the year cause the average death toll per day to be different? Is it higher or lower in leap years?

[MacDorcha]

6751.5 deaths per day on a leap year.

When talking about deaths per year, and then dividing that by 365 to achieve the "per day" number, you find the "mean average".

By adding a day (yet keeping the number of deaths) you lower the "per day" mean.

We could avoid this by simply dividing things by 365.24 (the "true" number of days a year is)
making it 6775.5 per day universally. (No longer a need to account for the additional day in leap years.

[chilepepper]

if memory serves, his US support dried up when it became clear that he was an Iranian sock puppet... sounds like he still is - 50 or 60 people a day dead is pretty much what the insurgents were doing before the Shia mosque was blown up.

one thing the US knows real well is what a civil war looks like, that what's going on in Iraq is no civil war, merely an attempt to start one for MSM and sheeple consumption...