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House Conservatives Rebel
The Hill ^ | 3-15-06 | Jonathon Allen

Posted on 03/16/2006 1:12:21 PM PST by theworkersarefew

Long-suppressed tensions among House Republicans burst into full public view yesterday when 29 conservatives voted against the rules for floor debate on a $91 billion emergency spending bill for the Iraq war and Gulf Coast recovery.

The fate of the rule was never in doubt — Rep. John Murtha (Pa.) led 22 of his fellow Democrats in helping GOP leaders defeat the conservative rebellion — but the open infighting comes at a bad time for House Republicans, many of whom are increasingly worried about November’s midterm election.

Despite its failure to alter the massive spending bill, which the House is expected to pass today, the conservative insurrection portends trouble for Republican leaders as they try to move budget and spending bills.

“It was a strong signal from House conservatives that a number of us are willing to do whatever it takes to slow spending,” said Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who voted against the rule.

Some aides saw the rule revolt as a test of the relationship between new Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC).

Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.), a former RSC chairman and a key Boehner supporter after his own leadership campaign fell short, voted against the rule.

Members of the RSC wanted to have separate votes on defense accounts and money for the hurricane-battered Gulf Coast. Ultimately, they were looking for a way to offset Gulf Coast spending with cuts to other programs. But they ran into a thicket of political and procedural obstacles, pitting them against appropriators, with Boehner in between.

After several days of proposals and counterproposals, mediated primarily by Boehner, Republicans on both sides pointed fingers and accused each other of reneging on earlier deals to resolve the dispute.

“It’s unfair to make members of Congress choose between our troops and fiscal discipline,” said Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), chairman of the RSC. “That’s the choice that our colleagues are faced with this week.”

But Boehner’s intervention was a relief to some Republicans who worried that the absence of forceful former Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) could be disastrous. The episode “speaks volumes to Boehner’s leadership,” one House Republican aide said.

The leadership-backed rule included protections for an amendment simply to strike all of the Gulf Coast recovery programs, which amount to $19 billion. But that option, which could have difficulty garnering majority support, did not satisfy the RSC.

Pence rose during the weekly Republican Conference meeting yesterday and announced that he was going to vote against the rule and recommend other members follow suit. Soon after, RSC aides circulated an e-mail to committee members and staff outlining reasons to vote against the rule.

“Contrary to others’ assertions, there was no deal with the RSC,” the e-mail read in part.

Organized defiance on procedural votes is rare in a Republican Conference that has maintained its tight grip on the legislative process by emphasizing party discipline. But conservatives say their party has lost its way amid continuing deficits and mounting national debt. Under Pence’s leadership, the RSC has been increasingly willing to go head to head with leadership.

Several RSC members made it plain yesterday that this will not be their last stand on procedural matters.

“There will be other votes in the future where Democrats are less inclined to support rules,” Pence said.

Murtha, the target of Republican attacks when he called for a quick redeployment of American troops last year, has long worked with Republican leaders when they need Democratic votes to ensure smooth passage of spending bills.

“Jack will always stand up to support the troops, and that’s what he did today,” said Rep. David Hobson (R-Ohio), a member of the Appropriations Committee.

Some Senate conservatives are sure to echo their House counterparts’ call for offsetting the Gulf Coast money, but they seem unlikely to find a sympathetic ear in Senate Appropriations Chairman Thad Cochran (R-Miss.), whose home state was pounded by Hurricane Katrina.

Cochran, who is due to mark up his version of the legislation the first week of April, promised he would give colleagues “a fair hearing.” But he also made clear that he would prefer not to offset the money.

“The people of the Gulf Coast would say it’s a fine time to get conservative now, after running up some of the biggest deficits in the nation’s history,” said Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.).


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: 109th; gop; jebhensarling; johnboehner; mikepence
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1 posted on 03/16/2006 1:12:25 PM PST by theworkersarefew
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To: theworkersarefew

Good for them. It is time to cut spending.


2 posted on 03/16/2006 1:14:50 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: theworkersarefew
it’s a fine time to get conservative now, after running up some of the biggest deficits in the nation’s history

If not now, when?

3 posted on 03/16/2006 1:20:36 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: theworkersarefew
Pence has a much bigger chore in launching a new "Contract With America". While Newt and company could focus most of their fire on the Democrats, Pence and the RSC must deal with both the Dems and their own party's leadership.
4 posted on 03/16/2006 1:21:45 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: theworkersarefew

“The people of the Gulf Coast would say it’s a fine time to get conservative now, after running up some of the biggest deficits in the nation’s history



Pence and the RSC was one of the few forces resisting the trend towards more spending. This is nothing new, they are just starting to get more aggressive and attract more attention.


5 posted on 03/16/2006 1:24:42 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: theworkersarefew
I think the congressional Rs are in a heap of trouble, personally.

The one selling point the Rs had was that they would be the anti-Ds. That when the Ds and their media allies put together lies to whip the public into a frenzy, the Rs were the ones who promised us they were the ones to oppose.

But now, this bunch just showed that they will *not* stop Schumer and Hilly. They will join with the Ds, and Schumer will go on Mike Savage, and all will be one big party. They will help the Ds power-grab. As long as the MSM can whip the public up with lies ("Bush Selling Ports To Arabs").

I don't see how I can possibly vote for an R this fall. It will be a vote for Hilly and Schumer.

6 posted on 03/16/2006 1:24:49 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: theworkersarefew
"“It was a strong signal from House conservatives that a number of us are willing to do whatever it takes to slow spending,” said Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who voted against the rule."

That includes attaching their own agenda to a bill, and in doing so endangering our Military men and women. Doing "doing whatever it takes" could encompass endangering Americans, and damaging the WOT etc. Cut spending by winning over the electorate (through education and example) to your plans to do so, not by hijacking bills that defend America and her heroes!

THE WOT IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT MISSION TO DATE! Without victory, all of the surplus money in the world will mean NOTHING!

LLS
7 posted on 03/16/2006 1:31:22 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Dominic Harr
I don't see how I can possibly vote for an R this fall. It will be a vote for Hilly and Schumer.



Fortunately for me, I am working with a Mike Pence like Congressional candidate who is attempting to fill Bernie Sanders' vacated Vermont House seat. He is someone I know personally and would be a great addition to conservatives in Congress. Should he win the primary against the Party's preferred RINO candidate, I will have no problem casting my vote for an "R" in the general election.
8 posted on 03/16/2006 1:31:35 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: theworkersarefew

The saddest part is that there are only 29 conservatives among 231 Republican Representatives.


9 posted on 03/16/2006 1:32:00 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: theworkersarefew
John Murtha (Pa.) led 22 of his fellow Democrats in helping GOP leaders defeat the conservative rebellion

This is absolutely sickening.

10 posted on 03/16/2006 1:34:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
The saddest part is that there are only 29 conservatives among 231 Republican Representatives.

Do we know who the 29 are?
11 posted on 03/16/2006 1:48:51 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

Akin
Chabot
Davis, Jo Ann
Flake
Forbes
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Garrett (NJ)
Gohmert
Green (WI)
Gutknecht
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Hostettler
Jones (NC)
King (IA)
Lungren, Daniel E.
Musgrave
Neugebauer
Otter
Pence
Poe
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Shadegg
Stearns
Tancredo
Westmoreland


12 posted on 03/16/2006 1:53:16 PM PST by theworkersarefew (pence08.com)
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To: LibLieSlayer
That includes attaching their own agenda to a bill, and in doing so endangering our Military men and women.



Try reading the article again. It is the GOP leadership and the Dems who are "attaching their own agenda to a bill, and in doing so endangering our Military men and women". That is what Pence in the RSC are opposing. They want separate votes on the spending for Iraq and the spending for gulf coast rebuilding.

This is not a trivial issue. Historically, great civilizations are more likely to collapse from within than be defeated from without. Letting the central government expand out of control is one of the biggest causes of civilizational collapse. In the long run, it is more likely to do us in than the threat of terrorism. (I strongly support the WOT but DO NOT want to see it used as an excuse to extend the role of the federal government any further) We simply MUST get a handle on runaway spending.
13 posted on 03/16/2006 1:53:31 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This is absolutely sickening.






It certainly is.


14 posted on 03/16/2006 1:54:39 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777
Should he win the primary against the Party's preferred RINO candidate, I will have no problem casting my vote for an "R" in the general election.

Here's hoping you get that chance!

I fear for the R Congress this fall.

15 posted on 03/16/2006 1:56:26 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr

Here's hoping you get that chance!



Thanks, I think he has a very good shot in the primaries.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 1:58:23 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
The saddest part is that there are only 29 conservatives among 231 Republican Representatives.

You state that as though you are surprised.

17 posted on 03/16/2006 2:07:13 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: All

bttt


18 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:57 PM PST by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: surely_you_jest

Not surprised, just depressed. It's the best you can expect when your biggest selling point is that at least you aren't a Democrat.


19 posted on 03/16/2006 2:18:28 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Not surprised, just depressed. It's the best you can expect when your biggest selling point is that at least you aren't a Democrat.

Can they even say that anymore?

The way they jumped on the Ports deal?

If the MSM uses lies to whip up a public frenzy, they will back whatever plan to expand govt control of a private business deal Schumer and Hilly come up with?

20 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:11 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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