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Taiwan Storm Set To Get Louder (China)
BBC ^ | 3-14-2006 | Chris Hogg

Posted on 03/13/2006 6:24:53 PM PST by blam

Taiwan storm set to get louder

By Chris Hogg
BBC News, Hong Kong

Tensions between the two sides are running high

It is 12 months since China passed a law authorising the use of force against Taiwan if the self-governing island moved towards formal independence.

On the face of it, it looks like nothing much has changed since then.

Both sides are still flinging insults at each other. China is still refusing to talk to Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian. The "status quo", as people call it, remains in place.

But conversations with the leading players and analysts who monitor their every move suggest an alternative conclusion - the situation has changed, and continues to evolve.

"Beijing now is taking a different approach to dealing with the Taiwan issue" argued Lo Chih-cheng from Taiwan's Institute for National Policy Research.

Taiwan flashpoint

"They want to be the 'good cop'," he said. "They're asking Washington to be the 'bad cop'. They offer carrots to people here while pressuring the Americans to take a more hard-line approach to prevent any move towards independence."

One carrot was Beijing's invitation to leaders from Taiwan's Kuomintang (KMT) opposition to meet them in the Great Hall of the People, a few weeks after the anti-secession law was passed.

Senior KMT lawmaker Su Chi believes the contacts between his party and the mainland leaders have helped ease tensions in the Taiwan Strait since the anti-secession law was passed.

"We gave them the assurance that not everyone in Taiwan is pushing for independence so there's no need to panic," he said, "no need to attack or invade Taiwan. We have saved Taiwan's skin."

Unsurprisingly, the chairman of the government body tasked with handling cross-strait issues, the Mainland Affairs Council, sees it quite differently.

Joseph Wu said relations between the two sides have worsened in the last 12 months.

Our president is being treated probably worse than a terrorist or a criminal and that's not fair to Taiwan

He sees the meeting between opposition leaders and the Chinese leadership as an attempt to meddle in Taiwan's internal affairs.

And he cited China's continuing military build-up and continuing efforts to isolate Taiwan diplomatically as evidence of a tougher, not a softer, line from Beijing.

He used the strongest language to protest against the way the international community - almost all of whose members grant diplomatic recognition to China rather than Taiwan - treats the island's democratically elected leader.

"Our president is being treated probably worse than a terrorist or a criminal, and that's not fair to Taiwan. It adds to Taiwan's frustration," he said. "We think this is the problem."

Domestic woes

Beijing has been alarmed by Mr Chen's recent scrapping of a council on reunification with the mainland, the National Unification Council.

Mr Wu denied that the president was trying to draw attention away from his problems at home.

Mr Chen's poll ratings have plummeted and his Democratic Progressive Party has been damaged by corruption scandals and beaten badly in local elections.

Critics said his scrapping of the Council was part of an attempt to draw attention back to the threat posed by China, and edge Taiwan closer towards formal independence.

"(He's) trying to consolidate the pro-independent voters' support, and distract Taiwanese voters' attention from his party's corruption and poor performance in developing the economy," said Kaocheng Wang, director of the Graduate Institute of International Affairs and Strategic Studies at Taiwan's Tamkang University.

Opposition supporters have denounced Mr Chen's tactics

KMT legislator Su Chi said the president's next tactic would be to try to make constitutional reform an issue in the months to come.

President Chen has already made clear his view that "re-engineering" of the document was needed.

The opposition fears this means rewriting the whole document.

The Mainland Affairs Council's Joseph Wu denied that. He pointed out that the current document was drawn up in China in 1947, and that certain sections were "simply out of date".

Mr Chen has pledged not to touch on the issues of sovereignty. But he has refused to be drawn on what changes he plans to propose.

Proposing changing the island's official name or flag, for example, would provoke a furious response from Beijing.

Even limited constitutional changes passed last year led to protests from China's leaders.

So why bother to risk antagonising them again?

Some analysts point out that if it provokes sabre-rattling by the Chinese, that could prove to be an electoral asset for the president's party - as it has done in the past.

Mr Chen personally does not have any more elections to fight - he has to stand down after finishing his two terms as president in 2008 - but of course he wants to do his best to ensure his party remains in power.

And like many politicians coming to the end of their term in office, he no doubt has an eye to his legacy, and wants his place in the history books.


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1 posted on 03/13/2006 6:24:55 PM PST by blam
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2 posted on 03/13/2006 6:28:30 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: blam

It would be nice if they would wait til we get done with
Iran.


3 posted on 03/13/2006 6:30:40 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: blam

Productive people in Taiwan had better start looking for another place to live.The Butchers of Beijing will have their way,regardless of what anyone in Taiwan,China,The United States or at UN Headquarters thinks.


4 posted on 03/13/2006 6:34:55 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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Nice to see the Nationalist Chinese Star instead of the Communists'...


5 posted on 03/13/2006 6:53:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yes that's true. The economy in Taiwan is rotten to the core. They "lead the world" in 10 or 15 electronic devices, like scanners and such, but guess what, only 9% of that is made in Taiwan, 91% is made in China. Their "economic miracle" was cheap labor and our electronics, nothing more. They're good at keeping family shops, but not much more than that. Now all of it has moved over to China, and the lack of originality in Taiwan (and Asian nations in general) is showing in that they don't have a clue about how to get a good economy back again.

I've spent time this last year in Taiwan. Many cities have empty buildings, like Tai Jung, the central city. There are 7 or 8 fourteen story buildings around the train station (which in Asian societies is the best real estate) that are completely empty!!

There's nothing really left of Taiwan. The island is just a crappy piece of land (no resources, LOTS of earthquakes, typhoons) belonging to China, and our idea of defending it dates back to the Soviet era. We should just hand it back and negotiate a goody for ourselves in the process.

Taiwanese don't even take their own defense seriously and can't defend in anyway against China. There is nothing there for us.
The ONLY reason I've heard for defending Taiwan is some sea lanes nonsense. Please, the entire Eastern border of China is on the sea, they have all the ports they need already. Having Taiwan will not change China's military in anyway but will alleviate us of another foreign burden. That's my opinion, but I'm probably pissing someone off with this post.
6 posted on 03/13/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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belonging to China

Really?

7 posted on 03/13/2006 7:04:50 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: blam
I live in China, teach English here, First, about the sea lanes. What I am told by my Chinese friends is that they would like to control the sea lanes between Taiwan and China so they could put more pressure on Japan. If Japan does something they don't like they can shut down that area of the ocean for shipping to Japan. Ships would have to take the long way around.

Second, I have a plan. I think, and this is a little tongue in cheek, that the U.S. should let China have Taiwan but they must also take North Korea. Who would not rather have North Korea controlled by China instead of the Crazy man who is there now. I know this isn't completely serious but I don't think its that bad of an idea.
8 posted on 03/13/2006 7:10:56 PM PST by KungFuBrad (American In China)
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To: RightWhale
belonging to China

Really?


Well one dirty little secret around here is that the "Taiwanese" language isn't a language at all. They speak Mandarin here for one thing, and for another the "local" language is really the Fukienese dialect of Chinese, Fukien is a province in South Eastern China.

Fukien Chinese came here 2 or 3 hundred years ago and have been here ever since, so it is indisputably Chinese. Plus the unique Chinese writing is pretty hard to miss. While there are many ways to parse the "ownership" conversation, in actual fact there is no way to deny that the people here are, and have always been, Chinese. The Chinese have a list of arguments such as a Japanese almanac from the 1700's stating that Taiwan is Chinese, I don't want to reiterate all of their arguments, but from an objective viewpoint it is a Chinese island.
9 posted on 03/13/2006 7:20:18 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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10 posted on 03/13/2006 7:34:58 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: starbase

Can you explain the Taiwan independence supporters' argument about how they are not ethnically Chinese?


11 posted on 03/13/2006 7:44:19 PM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: KungFuBrad

You do realize 23 Million Starving North Koreans is a massive burden. Even China who has enought money to feed these people for decades to come ($800 Billion Foreign Reserve @ $5 B/Yr) have there limits too.


12 posted on 03/13/2006 7:47:48 PM PST by Petey139
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Can you explain the Taiwan independence supporters' argument about how they are not ethnically Chinese?

Yes, the explanation is that the claim is simply a lie. Or to be more gracious, wishful thinking.

Ask them to demonstrate how they are not ethnically Chinese and they will be unable to do so. The language is Fukiense Chinese, the writing is very clearly Chinese, and the people all came from China (though there is a very tiny population of darker skinned indigenous people here with a more primitive culture (think American Indians) and different language, they largely live in their own little villages)


Just do what I mention above, ask them how they can have Chinese language, Chinese writing, have come from China, but still aren't Chinese. They won't be able to answer you because they are Chinese. They do have a very red-necky stubborn streak though, which is why they insist they are a unique culture even when you can see they are the same. They will split hairs with you and can sometimes be very annoying in their insistence on being right, even when they are clearly wrong about something. It's obnoxious, and you can't believe they won't drop the matter. That's one characteristic about people in Taiwan (and many other Chinese as well) that isn't very flattering.

But they are Chinese, whether they like it or not, and OUR country, should not pay in blood for some silly people's misconceptions about themselves.
13 posted on 03/13/2006 8:10:11 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: blam

Maybe it's because I am *not* Chinese, but I fail to understand what in the heck ethnicity, language, writing, or anything else has to do with this. Taiwan doesn't "belong" to China any more than the U.S. to Great Britain.

- We speak English here in the U.S. yet we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.
- The majority of Americans are still of British descent, yet we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.
- The U.S. even used to be a British colony, yet today we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.

Sheesh. It's really simple -- the Communists swept over the mainland and those who didn't want to live under a totalitarian, murderous, UNfree society collectively said SCREW YOU to the Communists and fled to the island.

When the people on the mainland ditch Communism, when they let people WHO AREN'T COMMUNISTS run for office, when they let people vote for these NON-Communists, when they throw their totalitarian regime onto the ash-heap of history, *then* people might be willing to join them. Why doesn't Taiwan want to join the mainland? HOW DO YOU SAY 'DUH' IN CHINESE???


14 posted on 03/13/2006 8:23:45 PM PST by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: blam
So why bother to risk antagonizing them again?

Some people just NEED antagonizing!
15 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:10 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: starbase
I speak English, write English I must be an Englishman? Fact is they are politically and hence culturally different and a friend of the US of A

Extend your argument to the southwest (remember the Alamo) and we should give it back to Mexico, or Israel back to the Palestinians?
16 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:18 PM PST by underbyte
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To: KungFuBrad
I live in China, teach English here ...

Are you using a proxy server to connect to FreeRepublic ? I would think that is one site name the Chinese censors would block !!!

17 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:54 PM PST by Codeograph
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HOW DO YOU SAY 'DUH' IN CHINESE???

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I believe that would be " 廢話 "

(sounds like "fei hwa")

18 posted on 03/13/2006 8:33:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Jeff Head

Sounds like the beat goes on and the thicken plots, Buddy.

Wheeeee. Sigh.

God's best to you and family.

LUB


19 posted on 03/13/2006 8:35:24 PM PST by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Groups choosing death can reap it)
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To: starbase

Natives on Orchid Isle might argue with you. They have much more in common with a tribe on a Philipines island.

But . . . hey, aren't you for self-determination? LOL.

I'd rather see unity but only peacefully.


20 posted on 03/13/2006 8:40:28 PM PST by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Groups choosing death can reap it)
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