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Jailed for a messy yard
NorthJersey.com ^ | 03.09.06 | ALLISON PRIES

Posted on 03/09/2006 1:27:54 PM PST by Coleus

MAHWAH -- Two white watering cans and a yellow broom dangle above the porch of a stone and shingle house perched atop North Hillside Avenue. Just below, empty flower pots and plastic chairs and tables clutter the entryway. "No trespassing" and "Beware of dog" signs line the sloping property.

The more-than-100-year-old house has been home to Samantha Moor for 10 years. Its sloppy condition is the reason she nearly spent the night in jail. Moor, in her late 40s, was arrested Tuesday morning and sent to the Bergen County Jail for failing to pay $4,921 in fines issued by Mahwah for property maintenance violations. She was bailed out by her former husband just before midnight.

The township has issued Moor 37 summonses dating to April 2004. A warrant was issued for her arrest when she failed to make payments, as set forth by a municipal judge. "Since she couldn't afford to make the repairs, she couldn't afford to pay the fines," said George Cotz, a lawyer Moor called from jail on Tuesday. She was expected to appear in Municipal Court in Mahwah at 1:30 p.m. today, although Cotz, who is trying another case, won't be at her side.

Moor could not be reached for comment. Cotz said her phone has been disconnected. "I don't think she particularly has any marketable skills," Cotz said. "Before she got married and had a child, she was a clerk in an office. And I think she's got health issues.

"She really has no money," he said. "I don't think this is a show." Moor's troubles started with a dishonest contractor who tore apart her house and walked away with her money, according to Ian J. Hirsch, a Hackensack lawyer who used to represent her. The contractor was fined in Mahwah Municipal Court, but that didn't help Moor, Hirsch said. "The house stayed the way it was," he said. "The scaffolding stayed, there were shingles in the yard. It started to become an eyesore."

Moor's neighbors began complaining, and eventually the fines started piling up. "The town building inspector was very, very nice," Hirsch said. "We genuinely tried to help her. But she doesn't have any money, so what can she do?" When Moor was arrested Tuesday, she called another lawyer, Hirsch suspects, because she owes Hirsch money. "Had she called me, I would have helped her anyway," he said.

When Hirsch represented Moor, she was taking classes to become a plumber, he said. "She's trying to hold onto a piece of property she's not going to be able to." Moor's property taxes were paid in full in 2005, officials said. But her first-quarter payment, due Feb. 1, has not been received. Hirsch describes Moor as a nice person whose problems have snowballed. "Some people belong in jail. Not Samantha Moor," he said. "You don't put people who are struggling to survive in jail."

John Lane, Mahwah's property maintenance and zoning enforcement officer, says Moor's problem is that she hasn't complied with the ordinances or the court orders that attempted to enforce them. If people comply and show an effort, he said, the township will work with them. "The ultimate goal we're looking for is compliance," Lane said. "We'd rather residents put the money toward property maintenance" than fines.

The idea of racking up thousands of dollars in fines, he said, is not unusual in the sprawling township. Going to jail over them is. In nearby Ramsey, both are unheard of. "We've never had anything that extreme," said Ramsey's zoning officer, Richard Mammone, who has been with the borough for 30 years. Most of the property maintenance complaints in Mahwah come from neighbors or other third parties, Lane said.

An enforcement officer investigates the complaint to check its validity. If the violation exists, residents are given a letter saying they have three days to comply. If they don't make the necessary changes, a second letter is issued saying the resident has one day to comply. If they still don't comply, a third letter is sent warning that a summons will be issued, he said. After that, a summons is issued every day the property owner fails to comply.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: association; bergencounty; ha; homeowner; homeownerassociation; mahwah; property; propertyrights; samanthamoor
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Mahwah, is a big money town in Bergen County, NJ, bordering Rockland County, NY
1 posted on 03/09/2006 1:27:57 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

You're blaming the town? Have you ever lived next door to anyone who doesn't keep their house up? I'm sorry for her situation, but her inaction is not helping anyone, least of all herself. If she doesn't have the money, she'd best sell the house in its condition and be done with it. What do you want the Town to do?


2 posted on 03/09/2006 1:30:22 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Coleus
Government in this Country is out of control - And in many cases it gets worse the more localized Gov't gets - But from the Federal Gov't all the way down to local township boards Gov't is simply out of control.

And the masses of sheep simply walk around with blindfolds on -

3 posted on 03/09/2006 1:30:50 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Coleus

And by the way, she didn't go to jail for a MESSY YARD, she went for not paying fines. That's like saying Bill Clinton was impeached for having a consensual sexual relationship. You know the answer to that one.


4 posted on 03/09/2006 1:31:50 PM PST by Hildy
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To: DevSix

Wait a second...I can't believe this is FreeRepublic. Homes like that are not just eyesores, they are health and fire hazards. I just can't believe what I'm reading.


5 posted on 03/09/2006 1:32:49 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
You're blaming the town? Have you ever lived next door to anyone who doesn't keep their house up?

Tough - My God, the notion that everyone has a "right" of some sort to have neighbors who keep their house maintained to a level they would would is mind-boggling -

If you don't want neighbors that live like pigs....then YOU buy enough land around you so that you won't have neighbors!

The notion that Government is suppose to step in is utterly silly and ridiculous (and don't give me they are protecting us from this or that with these silly as$ laws).

6 posted on 03/09/2006 1:33:42 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Hildy
Typo - Should have read.....

"that everyone thinks they have some sort of right to have neighbors who keep their homes / yards maintained to a level they would "like"....is foolishness.

7 posted on 03/09/2006 1:35:05 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Oh my God..with freedom comes responsibility. These are rules, on the books, that she's broken. I'm speechless.


8 posted on 03/09/2006 1:35:16 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Coleus

The local gov't should just take the property using imminent domain. Thanks Supremes.


9 posted on 03/09/2006 1:37:40 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Hildy

I have lived next door to someone who COULD NOT keep their house up. We helped. Sweat equity, a weekend, and a loyal neighbor henceforth, who incidentally got better, whose economic situation improved, and would pass the favors on anytime. Neighborhoods used to be a lot more neighborly.


10 posted on 03/09/2006 1:38:06 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Hildy
If the city, or the people living around here are willing to pay her property taxes or any other costs, then they have a some legal justification to control her personal property!

Put up or shut up!

Open up your wallet, or shut up!

11 posted on 03/09/2006 1:38:24 PM PST by Hunble
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To: DevSix

"then YOU buy enough land around you so that you won't have neighbors!"

That's the same as the 'love it or leave it' mindset. Doesn't cut it, this is America ans if you live in a community that has laws, you should obey them.


12 posted on 03/09/2006 1:40:01 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Smokin's Joe, you are an honest American and still understand what this country is all about.


13 posted on 03/09/2006 1:40:21 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hildy
You're blaming the town? >>

No, not necessarily. Let's face it, the main reason why the town went down is because the rich people complained about their property values, not health and safety.

You don't trow a woman in jail because she didn't mow her lawn. Remember, the judge is appointed by the mayor where his salary is paid for by the property tax payers. They complain, everyone jumps.

why is it that some judges take extenuation circumstances into consideration from thugs and rapists and not from a woman who was bilked out of thousands by a contractor.
14 posted on 03/09/2006 1:40:22 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Hunble

I'm sorry, that's not the way it works.


15 posted on 03/09/2006 1:40:23 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Coleus
In about 10 minutes I will be commuting to my college in Mahwah. It is a very richy area, and I am not surprised this happened. Though, this area is conservative/republican.
16 posted on 03/09/2006 1:40:43 PM PST by Theoden (Fidei Defensor - Deus vult!)
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To: Hildy
Oh my God..with freedom comes responsibility.

No where in the Constitution and none of our Founding Fathers would have thought that Gov't would be getting involved to the point of how one maintains their own homes. And then fining them (putting $$ in the Gov't hands) has some useful process.

And the "rules" she has broken are simply from Gov't growing itself to a point of where it doesn't belong.

I am mind boggled at how many people thing "Gov't" is suppose to be involved in everything.

Again, if you want to make sure all your neighbors are living accordingly to how you would like them to live....then simply buy all the property around you....enough so that you won't have neighbors.

Nah, you shouldn't have to be burdened with that cost...or that responsibility.....Lets just look to the Gov't.

Mind boggling. And all the Gov't does is "fine" these people and put more money in their wasteful budgets to boot.

Crazy. The Gov't will be dressing our kids for us in 20 years.

17 posted on 03/09/2006 1:41:30 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Smokin' Joe

You can say that again. I have never in my life seen neighbors like the ones I have now. It is a "desireable" neighborhood, but I am thinking that just the plain old suburbs would be friendler than this.


18 posted on 03/09/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by mel
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To: Smokin' Joe

Neighborhoods used to be a lot more neighborly. >>

you're right, a scout troop or church group could help too, even habitat for humanity. But in this case you are in a town with some snobs.


19 posted on 03/09/2006 1:42:14 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I have lived next door to someone who COULD NOT keep their house up. We helped. Sweat equity, a weekend, and a loyal neighbor henceforth, who incidentally got better, whose economic situation improved, and would pass the favors on anytime. Neighborhoods used to be a lot more neighborly.

Agreed 100%! -

This Country is going off the deep end. The notion that the Gov't should be going around laying fines down over a situation like this is utterly mind numbing. All the Gov't has become is nothing more then a revenue enhancer for itself.

20 posted on 03/09/2006 1:43:55 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Hildy

Actually, if this woman cannot deal with the problem, for whatever reason, I call on her neighbors to turn to, offer their help, and get the place fixed up.

Anyone can fall into a position where they're not able to do as they usually would. Real neighbors will help out, not complain to the cops.

Poo on this woman's neighbors.


21 posted on 03/09/2006 1:44:34 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Coleus
So we should let emotions control everything. Did you read the story...she DID NOTHING to try to rectify the situation. They would have worked with her if she made ANY effort. But she didn't. The sorry truth is that this is probably the best thing that could have happened to her. Now her ex knows of her plight, the community knows of her plight and I suspect people will help. So she stayed one night in jail. Big whoop.

And, by the way, what the hell is wrong with "RICH PEOPLE" worrying about their property values. Tell me, I'm extremely curious as to your answer.

22 posted on 03/09/2006 1:44:34 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Coleus

I nervously clicked on this one. We are enjoying a year in Southern California while our 25 year old son lives in our house in Texas and takes care of the yard for us. He told me today that he mowed yesterday and asked me how to prune the roses and said he plans to fertilize. Hmmmmmmmmm I think he is telling me the truth. LOL


24 posted on 03/09/2006 1:45:42 PM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: Hildy
I'm sorry, that's not the way it works.

Yes, thanks to all the socialists that don't believe in private property rights.

25 posted on 03/09/2006 1:46:54 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: MineralMan

That is just what we all did when I was a kid growing up in a small Okla. town. We all helped each other no matter how big the job was. We had wallpaper stripping parties. The men would get together and knock out a wall and redo a kitchen. They were always helping each other fix cars. The great thing is that as I was growing up I learned how to FIX just about anything. Sure saves MONEY. And we had a good time, too.


26 posted on 03/09/2006 1:47:47 PM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: Coleus
Moor's neighbors began complaining, and eventually the fines started piling up.

Whatever happened to the concept of neighbors helping neighbors? Seems to me if the neighbors had spent a couple of hours on week-end doing a little yard work and hammering some nails instead of calling law enforcement, the problem would have been solved.

27 posted on 03/09/2006 1:49:23 PM PST by jellybean (George Allen 2008)
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To: Hildy

"And, by the way, what the hell is wrong with "RICH PEOPLE" worrying about their property values. Tell me, I'm extremely curious as to your answer."

Well, let's see if Jesus said anything about this...looking...oh, yes here it is:

BillyBob 13:6-8

6. And Jesus spake unto them, saying, "Look not upon thy neighbor's house if it is in need of repair, nor seek to offer help."
7. "Seek, instead, the King, and tell him of your property values."
8. "And the King shall relieve you and he shall eject the neighbor and he shall demolish her home."


28 posted on 03/09/2006 1:49:24 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: jazusamo
That's the same as the 'love it or leave it' mindset. Doesn't cut it, this is America ans if you live in a community that has laws, you should obey them.

No it is not the same. If you want only neighbors who will live a certain way....it is not unreasonable to suggest you should then buy up all the property around you. You have no right to tell others how to live on their land.

Furthermore your notion that Gov't get yearly grow itself by passing more and more laws...and thus everyone should just swallow and say "okay, that's the law...that makes it right".....is utterly foolish.

These are the exact same people who buy a house near an airport....and then protest if the airport tries to expand by buying more property (freely). If they don't want the airport to expand....then they should buy the excess property up.....and if they don't and the airport does....well then it can and should do as it wants with its own property.

Exactly the same here. Gov't is out of control with new regulations each and every month. From the local to the State up to the Federal level.

And the reality is the vast majority of these regulations are passed without the public having a clue.

29 posted on 03/09/2006 1:49:41 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: buffyt

"That is just what we all did when I was a kid growing up in a small Okla. town. We all helped each other no matter how big the job was. "

Yup. That is how neighbors do, if they are good people. Anyone can fall into a situation that keeps them from doing some jobs they need to do. They can fall ill, become elderly, or suffer from economic problems. Real neighbors help out. It's the right thing to do. Lousy neighbors call the authorities.


30 posted on 03/09/2006 1:51:26 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: DevSix
No where in the Constitution and none of our Founding Fathers would have thought that Gov't would be getting involved to the point of how one maintains their own homes. And then fining them (putting $$ in the Gov't hands) has some useful process.

I must've missed the part where this became a Federal case.

31 posted on 03/09/2006 1:51:30 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Coleus

I hope this lazy witch learns her lesson before they have to go public with this.


32 posted on 03/09/2006 1:51:36 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: DevSix
You have no right to tell others how to live on their land.

You're just flat out wrong. There are rules in every community. And they are designed to protect everyone. Now if she didn't like the rules, she could have left. But she didn't, did she? She now faces the consequences of her inaction. I hope she gets help now and I suspect she will. But the town did NOTHING wrong and there's nothing wrong with wanting to live in a town that takes care of itself. For whatever reason you want.

33 posted on 03/09/2006 1:54:03 PM PST by Hildy
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To: John Williams
Well, where else is she going to go? To a homeless shelter? Or maybe stay with family or friends? And if so, for how long?

I don't know...so are you saying the compassionate thing is for her to live in squalor? It seems like this is a woman who needed help. Inaction is sometimes the biggest cry of all. I just can't believe this is FR anymore.

34 posted on 03/09/2006 1:55:50 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy

The woman reportedly has no money, no job, no skills and survives only by her ex-husband's largess; yet you would have her stripped of her property and pilloried on the town square for starters, right?


35 posted on 03/09/2006 1:56:23 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Hildy

" But the town did NOTHING wrong and there's nothing wrong with wanting to live in a town that takes care of itself. For whatever reason you want."

OK, Miss Grundy. Whatever you say. Where I come from, neighbors who need some help get some help. Maybe you come from a less friendly place. I do so hope you stay there, and out of my neighborhood.

If you do move here, though, please let me know, so I won't bother plowing the snow off the end of your driveway after the plows come through, like I do my other neighbors.


36 posted on 03/09/2006 1:56:56 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Hildy
If that is not how it works in America, then what the heck are we doing on Free Republic?

Is this not exactly what we are all trying to defend?

Private or Government controlled property. There are only two choices.

If you call yourself a Conservative, then what are you trying to conserve?

Since the signing of theMagna Carta, Common Law has been based upon the concept of personal control and ownership of private property.

........................

THE MAGNA CARTA (The Great Charter):

Preamble:

John, by the grace of God, king of England, lord of Ireland, duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and count of Anjou, to the archbishop, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justiciaries, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and to all his bailiffs and liege subjects, greetings. Know that, having regard to God and for the salvation of our soul, and those of all our ancestors and heirs, and unto the honor of God and the advancement of his holy Church and for the rectifying of our realm, we have granted as underwritten by advice of our venerable fathers, Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, primate of all England and cardinal of the holy Roman Church, Henry, archbishop of Dublin, William of London, Peter of Winchester, Jocelyn of Bath and Glastonbury, Hugh of Lincoln, Walter of Worcester, William of Coventry, Benedict of Rochester, bishops; of Master Pandulf, subdeacon and member of the household of our lord the Pope, of brother Aymeric (master of the Knights of the Temple in England), and of the illustrious men William Marshal, earl of Pembroke, William, earl of Salisbury, William, earl of Warenne, William, earl of Arundel, Alan of Galloway (constable of Scotland), Waren Fitz Gerold, Peter Fitz Herbert, Hubert De Burgh (seneschal of Poitou), Hugh de Neville, Matthew Fitz Herbert, Thomas Basset, Alan Basset, Philip d'Aubigny, Robert of Roppesley, John Marshal, John Fitz Hugh, and others, our liegemen.

1. In the first place we have granted to God, and by this our present charter confirmed for us and our heirs forever that the English Church shall be free, and shall have her rights entire, and her liberties inviolate; and we will that it be thus observed; which is apparent from this that the freedom of elections, which is reckoned most important and very essential to the English Church, we, of our pure and unconstrained will, did grant, and did by our charter confirm and did obtain the ratification of the same from our lord, Pope Innocent III, before the quarrel arose between us and our barons: and this we will observe, and our will is that it be observed in good faith by our heirs forever. We have also granted to all freemen of our kingdom, for us and our heirs forever, all the underwritten liberties, to be had and held by them and their heirs, of us and our heirs forever.

2. If any of our earls or barons, or others holding of us in chief by military service shall have died, and at the time of his death his heir shall be full of age and owe "relief", he shall have his inheritance by the old relief, to wit, the heir or heirs of an earl, for the whole baroncy of an earl by L100; the heir or heirs of a baron, L100 for a whole barony; the heir or heirs of a knight, 100s, at most, and whoever owes less let him give less, according to the ancient custom of fees.

3. If, however, the heir of any one of the aforesaid has been under age and in wardship, let him have his inheritance without relief and without fine when he comes of age.

4. The guardian of the land of an heir who is thus under age, shall take from the land of the heir nothing but reasonable produce, reasonable customs, and reasonable services, and that without destruction or waste of men or goods; and if we have committed the wardship of the lands of any such minor to the sheriff, or to any other who is responsible to us for its issues, and he has made destruction or waster of what he holds in wardship, we will take of him amends, and the land shall be committed to two lawful and discreet men of that fee, who shall be responsible for the issues to us or to him to whom we shall assign them; and if we have given or sold the wardship of any such land to anyone and he has therein made destruction or waste, he shall lose that wardship, and it shall be transferred to two lawful and discreet men of that fief, who shall be responsible to us in like manner as aforesaid.

5. The guardian, moreover, so long as he has the wardship of the land, shall keep up the houses, parks, fishponds, stanks, mills, and other things pertaining to the land, out of the issues of the same land; and he shall restore to the heir, when he has come to full age, all his land, stocked with ploughs and wainage, according as the season of husbandry shall require, and the issues of the land can reasonable bear.

6. Heirs shall be married without disparagement, yet so that before the marriage takes place the nearest in blood to that heir shall have notice.

7. A widow, after the death of her husband, shall forthwith and without difficulty have her marriage portion and inheritance; nor shall she give anything for her dower, or for her marriage portion, or for the inheritance which her husband and she held on the day of the death of that husband; and she may remain in the house of her husband for forty days after his death, within which time her dower shall be assigned to her.

8. No widow shall be compelled to marry, so long as she prefers to live without a husband; provided always that she gives security not to marry without our consent, if she holds of us, or without the consent of the lord of whom she holds, if she holds of another.

9. Neither we nor our bailiffs will seize any land or rent for any debt, as long as the chattels of the debtor are sufficient to repay the debt; nor shall the sureties of the debtor be distrained so long as the principal debtor is able to satisfy the debt; and if the principal debtor shall fail to pay the debt, having nothing wherewith to pay it, then the sureties shall answer for the debt; and let them have the lands and rents of the debtor, if they desire them, until they are indemnified for the debt which they have paid for him, unless the principal debtor can show proof that he is discharged thereof as against the said sureties.

10. If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before that loan be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands, we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond.

11. And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews.

12. No scutage not aid shall be imposed on our kingdom, unless by common counsel of our kingdom, except for ransoming our person, for making our eldest son a knight, and for once marrying our eldest daughter; and for these there shall not be levied more than a reasonable aid. In like manner it shall be done concerning aids from the city of London.

13. And the city of London shall have all it ancient liberties and free customs, as well by land as by water; furthermore, we decree and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall have all their liberties and free customs.

14. And for obtaining the common counsel of the kingdom anent the assessing of an aid (except in the three cases aforesaid) or of a scutage, we will cause to be summoned the archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, and greater barons, severally by our letters; and we will moveover cause to be summoned generally, through our sheriffs and bailiffs, and others who hold of us in chief, for a fixed date, namely, after the expiry of at least forty days, and at a fixed place; and in all letters of such summons we will specify the reason of the summons. And when the summons has thus been made, the business shall proceed on the day appointed, according to the counsel of such as are present, although not all who were summoned have come.

15. We will not for the future grant to anyone license to take an aid from his own free tenants, except to ransom his person, to make his eldest son a knight, and once to marry his eldest daughter; and on each of these occasions there shall be levied only a reasonable aid.

16. No one shall be distrained for performance of greater service for a knight's fee, or for any other free tenement, than is due therefrom.

17. Common pleas shall not follow our court, but shall be held in some fixed place.

18. Inquests of novel disseisin, of mort d'ancestor, and of darrein presentment shall not be held elsewhere than in their own county courts, and that in manner following; We, or, if we should be out of the realm, our chief justiciar, will send two justiciaries through every county four times a year, who shall alone with four knights of the county chosen by the county, hold the said assizes in the county court, on the day and in the place of meeting of that court.

19. And if any of the said assizes cannot be taken on the day of the county court, let there remain of the knights and freeholders, who were present at the county court on that day, as many as may be required for the efficient making of judgments, according as the business be more or less.

20. A freeman shall not be amerced for a slight offense, except in accordance with the degree of the offense; and for a grave offense he shall be amerced in accordance with the gravity of the offense, yet saving always his "contentment"; and a merchant in the same way, saving his "merchandise"; and a villein shall be amerced in the same way, saving his "wainage" if they have fallen into our mercy: and none of the aforesaid amercements shall be imposed except by the oath of honest men of the neighborhood.

21. Earls and barons shall not be amerced except through their peers, and only in accordance with the degree of the offense.

22. A clerk shall not be amerced in respect of his lay holding except after the manner of the others aforesaid; further, he shall not be amerced in accordance with the extent of his ecclesiastical benefice.

23. No village or individual shall be compelled to make bridges at river banks, except those who from of old were legally bound to do so.

24. No sheriff, constable, coroners, or others of our bailiffs, shall hold pleas of our Crown.

25. All counties, hundred, wapentakes, and trithings (except our demesne manors) shall remain at the old rents, and without any additional payment.

26. If anyone holding of us a lay fief shall die, and our sheriff or bailiff shall exhibit our letters patent of summons for a debt which the deceased owed us, it shall be lawful for our sheriff or bailiff to attach and enroll the chattels of the deceased, found upon the lay fief, to the value of that debt, at the sight of law worthy men, provided always that nothing whatever be thence removed until the debt which is evident shall be fully paid to us; and the residue shall be left to the executors to fulfill the will of the deceased; and if there be nothing due from him to us, all the chattels shall go to the deceased, saving to his wife and children their reasonable shares.

27. If any freeman shall die intestate, his chattels shall be distributed by the hands of his nearest kinsfolk and friends, under supervision of the Church, saving to every one the debts which the deceased owed to him.

28. No constable or other bailiff of ours shall take corn or other provisions from anyone without immediately tendering money therefor, unless he can have postponement thereof by permission of the seller.

29. No constable shall compel any knight to give money in lieu of castle-guard, when he is willing to perform it in his own person, or (if he himself cannot do it from any reasonable cause) then by another responsible man. Further, if we have led or sent him upon military service, he shall be relieved from guard in proportion to the time during which he has been on service because of us.

30. No sheriff or bailiff of ours, or other person, shall take the horses or carts of any freeman for transport duty, against the will of the said freeman.

31. Neither we nor our bailiffs shall take, for our castles or for any other work of ours, wood which is not ours, against the will of the owner of that wood.

32. We will not retain beyond one year and one day, the lands those who have been convicted of felony, and the lands shall thereafter be handed over to the lords of the fiefs.

33. All kydells for the future shall be removed altogether from Thames and Medway, and throughout all England, except upon the seashore.

34. The writ which is called praecipe shall not for the future be issued to anyone, regarding any tenement whereby a freeman may lose his court.

35. Let there be one measure of wine throughout our whole realm; and one measure of ale; and one measure of corn, to wit, "the London quarter"; and one width of cloth (whether dyed, or russet, or "halberget"), to wit, two ells within the selvedges; of weights also let it be as of measures.

36. Nothing in future shall be given or taken for a writ of inquisition of life or limbs, but freely it shall be granted, and never denied.

37. If anyone holds of us by fee-farm, either by socage or by burage, or of any other land by knight's service, we will not (by reason of that fee-farm, socage, or burgage), have the wardship of the heir, or of such land of his as if of the fief of that other; nor shall we have wardship of that fee-farm, socage, or burgage, unless such fee-farm owes knight's service. We will not by reason of any small serjeancy which anyone may hold of us by the service of rendering to us knives, arrows, or the like, have wardship of his heir or of the land which he holds of another lord by knight's service.

38. No bailiff for the future shall, upon his own unsupported complaint, put anyone to his "law", without credible witnesses brought for this purposes.

39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.

40. To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.

41. All merchants shall have safe and secure exit from England, and entry to England, with the right to tarry there and to move about as well by land as by water, for buying and selling by the ancient and right customs, quit from all evil tolls, except (in time of war) such merchants as are of the land at war with us. And if such are found in our land at the beginning of the war, they shall be detained, without injury to their bodies or goods, until information be received by us, or by our chief justiciar, how the merchants of our land found in the land at war with us are treated; and if our men are safe there, the others shall be safe in our land.

42. It shall be lawful in future for anyone (excepting always those imprisoned or outlawed in accordance with the law of the kingdom, and natives of any country at war with us, and merchants, who shall be treated as if above provided) to leave our kingdom and to return, safe and secure by land and water, except for a short period in time of war, on grounds of public policy- reserving always the allegiance due to us.

43. If anyone holding of some escheat (such as the honor of Wallingford, Nottingham, Boulogne, Lancaster, or of other escheats which are in our hands and are baronies) shall die, his heir shall give no other relief, and perform no other service to us than he would have done to the baron if that barony had been in the baron's hand; and we shall hold it in the same manner in which the baron held it.

44. Men who dwell without the forest need not henceforth come before our justiciaries of the forest upon a general summons, unless they are in plea, or sureties of one or more, who are attached for the forest.

45. We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or bailiffs only such as know the law of the realm and mean to observe it well.

46. All barons who have founded abbeys, concerning which they hold charters from the kings of England, or of which they have long continued possession, shall have the wardship of them, when vacant, as they ought to have.

47. All forests that have been made such in our time shall forthwith be disafforsted; and a similar course shall be followed with regard to river banks that have been placed "in defense" by us in our time.

48. All evil customs connected with forests and warrens, foresters and warreners, sheriffs and their officers, river banks and their wardens, shall immediately by inquired into in each county by twelve sworn knights of the same county chosen by the honest men of the same county, and shall, within forty days of the said inquest, be utterly abolished, so as never to be restored, provided always that we previously have intimation thereof, or our justiciar, if we should not be in England.

49. We will immediately restore all hostages and charters delivered to us by Englishmen, as sureties of the peace of faithful service.

50. We will entirely remove from their bailiwicks, the relations of Gerard of Athee (so that in future they shall have no bailiwick in England); namely, Engelard of Cigogne, Peter, Guy, and Andrew of Chanceaux, Guy of Cigogne, Geoffrey of Martigny with his brothers, Philip Mark with his brothers and his nephew Geoffrey, and the whole brood of the same.

51. As soon as peace is restored, we will banish from the kingdom all foreign born knights, crossbowmen, serjeants, and mercenary soldiers who have come with horses and arms to the kingdom's hurt.

52. If anyone has been dispossessed or removed by us, without the legal judgment of his peers, from his lands, castles, franchises, or from his right, we will immediately restore them to him; and if a dispute arise over this, then let it be decided by the five and twenty barons of whom mention is made below in the clause for securing the peace. Moreover, for all those possessions, from which anyone has, without the lawful judgment of his peers, been disseised or removed, by our father, King Henry, or by our brother, King Richard, and which we retain in our hand (or which as possessed by others, to whom we are bound to warrant them) we shall have respite until the usual term of crusaders; excepting those things about which a plea has been raised, or an inquest made by our order, before our taking of the cross; but as soon as we return from the expedition, we will immediately grant full justice therein.

53. We shall have, moreover, the same respite and in the same manner in rendering justice concerning the disafforestation or retention of those forests which Henry our father and Richard our brother afforested, and concerning the wardship of lands which are of the fief of another (namely, such wardships as we have hitherto had by reason of a fief which anyone held of us by knight's service), and concerning abbeys founded on other fiefs than our own, in which the lord of the fee claims to have right; and when we have returned, or if we desist from our expedition, we will immediately grant full justice to all who complain of such things.

54. No one shall be arrested or imprisoned upon the appeal of a woman, for the death of any other than her husband.

55. All fines made with us unjustly and against the law of the land, and all amercements, imposed unjustly and against the law of the land, shall be entirely remitted, or else it shall be done concerning them according to the decision of the five and twenty barons whom mention is made below in the clause for securing the pease, or according to the judgment of the majority of the same, along with the aforesaid Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, if he can be present, and such others as he may wish to bring with him for this purpose, and if he cannot be present the business shall nevertheless proceed without him, provided always that if any one or more of the aforesaid five and twenty barons are in a similar suit, they shall be removed as far as concerns this particular judgment, others being substituted in their places after having been selected by the rest of the same five and twenty for this purpose only, and after having been sworn.

56. If we have disseised or removed Welshmen from lands or liberties, or other things, without the legal judgment of their peers in England or in Wales, they shall be immediately restored to them; and if a dispute arise over this, then let it be decided in the marches by the judgment of their peers; for the tenements in England according to the law of England, for tenements in Wales according to the law of Wales, and for tenements in the marches according to the law of the marches. Welshmen shall do the same to us and ours.

57. Further, for all those possessions from which any Welshman has, without the lawful judgment of his peers, been disseised or removed by King Henry our father, or King Richard our brother, and which we retain in our hand (or which are possessed by others, and which we ought to warrant), we will have respite until the usual term of crusaders; excepting those things about which a plea has been raised or an inquest made by our order before we took the cross; but as soon as we return (or if perchance we desist from our expedition), we will immediately grant full justice in accordance with the laws of the Welsh and in relation to the foresaid regions.

58. We will immediately give up the son of Llywelyn and all the hostages of Wales, and the charters delivered to us as security for the peace.

59. We will do towards Alexander, king of Scots, concerning the return of his sisters and his hostages, and concerning his franchises, and his right, in the same manner as we shall do towards our owher barons of England, unless it ought to be otherwise according to the charters which we hold from William his father, formerly king of Scots; and this shall be according to the judgment of his peers in our court.

60. Moreover, all these aforesaid customs and liberties, the observances of which we have granted in our kingdom as far as pertains to us towards our men, shall be observed b all of our kingdom, as well clergy as laymen, as far as pertains to them towards their men.

61. Since, moveover, for God and the amendment of our kingdom and for the better allaying of the quarrel that has arisen between us and our barons, we have granted all these concessions, desirous that they should enjoy them in complete and firm endurance forever, we give and grant to them the underwritten security, namely, that the barons choose five and twenty barons of the kingdom, whomsoever they will, who shall be bound with all their might, to observe and hold, and cause to be observed, the peace and liberties we have granted and confirmed to them by this our present Charter, so that if we, or our justiciar, or our bailiffs or any one of our officers, shall in anything be at fault towards anyone, or shall have broken any one of the articles of this peace or of this security, and the offense be notified to four barons of the foresaid five and twenty, the said four barons shall repair to us (or our justiciar, if we are out of the realm) and, laying the transgression before us, petition to have that transgression redressed without delay. And if we shall not have corrected the transgression (or, in the event of our being out of the realm, if our justiciar shall not have corrected it) within forty days, reckoning from the time it has been intimated to us (or to our justiciar, if we should be out of the realm), the four barons aforesaid shall refer that matter to the rest of the five and twenty barons, and those five and twenty barons shall, together with the community of the whole realm, distrain and distress us in all possible ways, namely, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, and in any other way they can, until redress has been obtained as they deem fit, saving harmless our own person, and the persons of our queen and children; and when redress has been obtained, they shall resume their old relations towards us. And let whoever in the country desires it, swear to obey the orders of the said five and twenty barons for the execution of all the aforesaid matters, and along with them, to molest us to the utmost of his power; and we publicly and freely grant leave to everyone who wishes to swear, and we shall never forbid anyone to swear. All those, moveover, in the land who of themselves and of their own accord are unwilling to swear to the twenty five to help them in constraining and molesting us, we shall by our command compel the same to swear to the effect foresaid. And if any one of the five and twenty barons shall have died or departed from the land, or be incapacitated in any other manner which would prevent the foresaid provisions being carried out, those of the said twenty five barons who are left shall choose another in his place according to their own judgment, and he shall be sworn in the same way as the others. Further, in all matters, the execution of which is entrusted,to these twenty five barons, if perchance these twenty five are present and disagree about anything, or if some of them, after being summoned, are unwilling or unable to be present, that which the majority of those present ordain or command shall be held as fixed and established, exactly as if the whole twenty five had concurred in this; and the said twenty five shall swear that they will faithfully observe all that is aforesaid, and cause it to be observed with all their might. And we shall procure nothing from anyone, directly or indirectly, whereby any part of these concessions and liberties might be revoked or diminished; and if any such things has been procured, let it be void and null, and we shall never use it personally or by another.

62. And all the will, hatreds, and bitterness that have arisen between us and our men, clergy and lay, from the date of the quarrel, we have completely remitted and pardoned to everyone. Moreover, all trespasses occasioned by the said quarrel, from Easter in the sixteenth year of our reign till the restoration of peace, we have fully remitted to all, both clergy and laymen, and completely forgiven, as far as pertains to us. And on this head, we have caused to be made for them letters testimonial patent of the lord Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, of the lord Henry, archbishop of Dublin, of the bishops aforesaid, and of Master Pandulf as touching this security and the concessions aforesaid.

63. Wherefore we will and firmly order that the English Church be free, and that the men in our kingdom have and hold all the aforesaid liberties, rights, and concessions, well and peaceably, freely and quietly, fully and wholly, for themselves and their heirs, of us and our heirs, in all respects and in all places forever, as is aforesaid. An oath, moreover, has been taken, as well on our part as on the art of the barons, that all these conditions aforesaid shall be kept in good faith and without evil intent.

Given under our hand - the above named and many others being witnesses - in the meadow which is called Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, on the fifteenth day of June, in the seventeenth year of our reign.

37 posted on 03/09/2006 1:57:17 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Smokin' Joe

"Neighborhoods used to be a lot more neighborly".


Its sad but I would really have to think hard to come up with the names of my neighbors on either side of me..



38 posted on 03/09/2006 1:57:36 PM PST by Independentamerican2
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To: Hildy

We should be so lucky; (I'm speechless).


39 posted on 03/09/2006 1:57:41 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer; Hildy

"The woman reportedly has no money, no job, no skills and survives only by her ex-husband's largess; yet you would have her stripped of her property and pilloried on the town square for starters, right?"

You got it, Prof. If she can't fix the place up, it's off to the poorhouse for her, if Hildy has her way. Perish the thought that Hildy would drop in and ask if she could help. It's so much easier to call up the Zoning Enforcement folks.


40 posted on 03/09/2006 1:58:33 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Coleus

Unfortunately this woman hasn't a leg to stand on. She, along with every other American who holds a mortgage or a deed on a house/residential dwelling; does not own land. The local government (county or parish) leases that plot of land to whoever agrees to the terms of the lease...which is a yearly property tax bill. Since the government owns the land and is the lessor...the government can dictate various statutes and regulations to the lessee.


41 posted on 03/09/2006 1:59:29 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Itīs way past time to shut the barn door on illegal aliens.)
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To: Coleus

"why is it that some judges take extenuation circumstances into consideration from thugs and rapists and not from a woman who was bilked out of thousands by a contractor."

Her lawyer said she owes him money but he would have helped her anyway!!

Why didn't he get her money back from the crooked contractor in the first place and why didn't the judge make that happen!!


42 posted on 03/09/2006 1:59:54 PM PST by LADY J
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To: Hildy

All I can say, Hildy, is I'm glad I don't live next to you. Working 3 jobs I sometimes don't have time to mow the lawn twice a week. Glad my neighbors are a little more understanding.


43 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:11 PM PST by jellybean (George Allen 2008)
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To: Coleus

My daughter used to live in Mahwah. Property is very expensive and highly taxed, although not always in very good shape. There are heavy, heavy ordinances for everything. The slightest deviation results in a big fine.
IMHO, some of the ordinances are unreasonable.


44 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:30 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Hildy

There was that little part about where she hired a contractor who took her money and left behind a big mess, but maybe you missed that detail.


45 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:34 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Hildy
she went for not paying fines

Thanks for inserting a moment of rationality into the discussion. She was required to appear in court, and she thumbed her nose at the court system, so the judge issued a warrant requiring that she be brought before him. Same rules apply to any traffic ticket, parking violating, or 'loud music citation'. She could have raised her inability to pay, she could have claimed she couldn't afford the cleanup, she could have plead poverty, instead she just chose to ignore the courts. Judges are extremely unfond of being ignored.

46 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:40 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Independentamerican2

"Its sad but I would really have to think hard to come up with the names of my neighbors on either side of me..
"

That's not a good thing. Go introduce yourself the next time you see them outdoors. Invite them over for a cookout. It could one day save your life.


47 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:57 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Coleus

Good lord,
you have some folks who see people and some folks who don't.

One day, may those who don't "get" what happened to this woman find themselves sitting in a home they can't physically keep up and the neighbors calling them names because they have an ugly house.

Damn,
I'm stayin' a swamp witch until the day I die. >:>


48 posted on 03/09/2006 2:01:39 PM PST by najida (Somedays you're the mud, other days the pig. Either way, you can sit in the sunshine and dry out ;))
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To: DevSix

When a person lives in an area and can't afford to upgrade or buy acreage, they should have the decency to maintain their property for themselves as well as others, and those others should do the same.

If all people made an effort to do these things, I believe others would help them if they fell on hard times. In this case it sounds like she made no effort what so ever.

Communities pass these type laws for the few people like her. I won't tell someone how to live, but they should darn well try to make an effort to conform to a communities standards.


49 posted on 03/09/2006 2:02:31 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: najida

"One day, may those who don't "get" what happened to this woman find themselves sitting in a home they can't physically keep up and the neighbors calling them names because they have an ugly house.
"

Ugly, isn't it. Sometimes I despair over this kind of thing. Phooey!


50 posted on 03/09/2006 2:03:49 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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