Iran forces 'infiltrating Iraq'

BBC ^ | Tuesday, 7 March 2006, 19:07 GMT | staff

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Iran forces 'infiltrating Iraq'

Policing the border between Iraq and Iran has proved difficult

Iranian revolutionary forces have been infiltrating Iraq, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said.

"They [Iran] are currently putting people into Iraq to do things that are harmful to the future of Iraq," Mr Rumsfeld told a news conference.

"We know it, and it is something that they... will look back on as having been an error in judgement," he added.

His comments come amid an upsurge in sectarian violence in Iraq, touched off by the bombing of a sacred Shia shrine.

Weapons claim

Asked whether the alleged insertion of Iranian forces into Iraq was backed by the central government in Tehran, Mr Rumsfeld said: "Of course, the Qods force does not go milling around willy-nilly, one would think."

There's always been a potential for a civil war. That country was held together through a repressive regime that put hundreds of thousands of human beings into mass graves Donald Rumsfeld

General Peter Pace, chairman of the US military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there had also been some improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and weapons that "we believe are traceable back to Iran".

A claim by Britain last October that Iran had provided the technology for bomb attacks on British troops in southern Iraq sparked a heated dispute.

IEDs employing shaped charges and infra-red triggering have killed at least 10 British soldiers in the south of Iraq since May last year, and were first seen in Lebanon where they are used by Hezbollah, which is supported by Iran and Syria.

Yet Iran has denied that it is in any way responsible for supplying the technology.

Speaking to reporters at the Pentagon, Mr Rumsfeld also rejected suggestions civil war was engulfing Iraq, hitting out at what he said were exaggerated media reports of violence there.

"I do not believe they're in a civil war today," he said.

He added: "There's always been a potential for a civil war. That country was held together through a repressive regime that put hundreds of thousands of human beings into mass graves."

But he acknowledged that the 22 February attack on the mosque in the city of Samarra had delayed efforts to form a unified government in Iraq.

[Gordongekko909]

Do we have causus belli yet?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I don't know, but I do know that we have people in this country that think we can live with letting Iran having the nukes.....Cavuto had one on his show today.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Appeasement has no future....

[SueRae]

It's only a matter of time and semantics before war is offically declared. 1st to go - Moqtadfa al Sadr.

Rummy and Bolton, thank God they have the cojones to call them as they see them. We'd be speaking Arabic by the time the rest of the world wakes up.

[Gordongekko909]

The hell? North Korea is a big enough pain all by itself. And as strange as this sounds, there are people out there who are less sane than Kim Jong Il. Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He cannot be allowed to pick up nukes. Ever.

Here's the thing: nukes are not, strictly speaking, tactical weapons. They are political weapons. It isn't really the nukes themselves that are useful; rather, it is the threat of their use that is useful. Nukes in Mahmoud's hands would be a big ol' bargaining chip for radical Islam in general and Iran in particular.

That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that he won't even bother to threaten using them, and just start lobbing warheads around. Neither of these scenarios is acceptable.

[PsyOp]

We should return the favor. I believe this is what we train Green Berets for. Infiltrate Iran, set up and train a resistance movement, topple the mullahcracy. Since we have have troops in both Afghanistan and Iraq, doing this and supporting such a movement should not be too difficult. We could probably even find some Iraqis and Afghans to help us out.

[tomahawk]

We are at war with the Iranian Mullahs.

We need to win.

[Gritty]

We are at war with the Iranian Mullahs

... and they have been at war with us since 1979. It's just that we haven't admitted it, yet. We will soon have to.

[Candor7]

Do we have causus belli yet?>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am sure it is being documented now, and has been for some time. We will show these to our allies at the time we commence our interdiction attack inside Iran.

Won't these rag heads be surprised when a dozen special ops groups show up inside Iran with laser designators and tac air and much more that we probably shouldn't talk about here?

The Iranians know something is up, which explains the recent veiled threats about roasting US soldiers stomachs in hell and other such nonsense.

They should keep their idiots on their side of the border like Syria has learned to do. They think that war with the US will be like their last war with Iraq?

They have no idea what they will have done to them, or they would be shivering like dogs behind their own border where they belong!

[MplsSteve]

Agreed.

But we're still having difficulties sealing the Iraqi-Syrian border.

Now we also have to police or seal the Iraqi-Iran border too.

[Gordongekko909]

It would be cool if al-Assad were to see the writing on the wall and pull a Kadaffi. "Whoa, heh, put those guns down, Americans. You remember all that stuff I said about you being the Great Satan? Umm, I was just kidding. Yeah, that's it. Please don't kill me."

[Candor7]

Yup, the Kadaffi out would be also a fine thing for our troops. One less hump and grunt!

[Gordongekko909]

If dictators understand one thing, it's force. The smarter ones also understand realpolitik. It would definitely be nice if al-Assad turns out to be smart enough to roll over on his own.

[Candor7]

It would definitely be nice if al-Assad turns out to be smart enough to roll over on his own.>>>>>>>>>

If he has any clues at all, and he is not purely the religious Madhi Maniac he has portrayed himself to be, waiting for the 12th Imam to materialize at the end of the world, he would definitely roll.

There was some sign of them giving a little today on nuclear development with China's aid in their cause.

If the US takes Iraq, it will have to be truly destroyed, we havn't enough men to hand hold another country, and observe our strategic obligations around the world.That will give us a gateway right into Pakistan with India on the other side watching our six.

I hope the Iranians do come to negotiate, or the Persian civilization will have very little left of it, and that would be a shame for all mankind, but necessary in the end if they do not rstrict their infiltration and religious subversive activities.

Who do you think blew up the 12th Madhi Mosque? It could have been the Iranians.

[Gordongekko909]

There are so many people over there who could have blown up that mosque for so many different reasons that it isn't even worth speculating. Given how these people operate, any explanation that anyone could come up with could be countered by an explanation that someone else did it so that we would think that aforementioned explanation was the right one. For whatever reason.

[Wiz]

ping

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See this at the Captain's Quarters Blog.:

March 06, 2006
Iran Gives US A Casus Belli, If We Want It

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ABC News reports tonight that Iran has shipped improved explosive devices capable of defeating the body armor employed by US soldiers to the insurgents in Iraq. Brian Ross will tell ABC's World News Tonight that Iran is "knowingly killing US troops", according to former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke: