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Hamas Refuses to Soften Stance on Israel
Associated Press ^ | March 3, 2006 | Vladimir Isanchekov

Posted on 03/03/2006 12:24:11 PM PST by AntiGuv

MOSCOW Mar 3, 2006 (AP)— The leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas rejected pressure to soften hostility to Israel Friday, saying the Jewish state must first withdraw from territories occupied in 1967 and allow refugees to return if it wants peace.

Embarking on the group's highest-profile diplomatic mission ever, Hamas political chief Khaled Mashaal said that if Israel took these steps, "our movement will have taken a big step toward peace."

That statement while sticking to Hamas' tradition of ambiguity could be significant, because Hamas in the past has called for Israel's elimination altogether.

Mashaal also welcomed the outcome of high-level talks with Russian officials, who had said before the meetings that they would pressure Hamas to recognize Israel and abandon violence.

The talks were "good, constructive and open," Mashaal said after meeting with Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and other Russian officials.

Lavrov was quoted as saying that Hamas was ready to honor all the agreements the Palestinian administration had undertaken as part of the Middle East peace process if Israel made steps to meet it halfway.

He said Russia and Hamas had also agreed to pursue contacts, according to the RIA Novosti news agency.

"I won't give overly optimistic forecasts, but this is a step in the right direction," Lavrov was quoted as saying. He cautioned, however, that "there is a long way to go to resume the peace process."

The Russian Foreign Ministry said later Friday that Hamas also promised to maintain a year-old cease-fire if Israel refrains from force. Mashaal could not be reached immediately for comment.

Hamas, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings, has largely stuck to the informal truce, though other militant groups have carried out attacks against Israel.

Russia's invitation to Hamas, extended by President Vladimir Putin, was the first crack in an international front against the group, which won a majority of the seats in the Palestinian parliament in January.

The invitation provoked anger in Israel and surprise among the other members of the so-called Quartet of Middle East mediators, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations, which had agreed to withhold international recognition from the radical Islamic movement until it moderated its stance.

Israel's acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Friday that the international community must maintain a united front against Hamas as the militant group prepares to form the next Palestinian Cabinet.

Hamas' election victory prompted threats from the U.S. and the EU to cut off $1 billion in aid to the Palestinians unless Hamas recognizes Israel and renounces violence.

Mashaal struck an uncompromising stance.

"If Israel officially announces its readiness to withdraw from all territories occupied in 1967, the return of Palestinian refugees, the closure of settlements, the dismantling of the dividing wall, the release of all prisoners, then our movement will take a big step toward peace," he said. The Israelis have rejected such conditions.

Lavrov said the Hamas leadership had agreed to allow international officials to monitor their budget funding, according to Interfax and RIA-Novosti.

"They are ready to create a mechanism of international oversight," Lavrov was quoted as saying. No further details were provided.

Ahead of the talks with the Hamas delegation which met for four hours with Russian officials Lavrov warned that it must become an essentially political movement whose militant wing could be subsumed into the recognized Palestinian "security structures."

Lavrov, used careful language in his meeting with The Associated Press and several U.S. media outlets but the transformation he envisioned would mark the end of Hamas as what the European Union, the United States and Israel view as a terrorist group.

"I don't think Hamas would have any serious future if Hamas doesn't change," he said.

Lavrov said Russia understood the change would take time, and compared it to the peace process in Northern Ireland, where the Irish Republican Army gradually was compelled to disarm and embrace a political process in which the front stage was occupied by Sinn Fein, its political wing.

Hamas needs "to reassess its new role, for which maybe it wasn't ready when the elections took place," Lavrov said.

"It will be a process, hopefully not as long as the process in Great Britain regarding Northern Ireland," he said.

But the difficulties of achieving change were illustrated Friday when Mashaal declared upon arrival that the group had no intention of discussing a recognition of Israel one of the key demands set by the international community and by Russia itself.

"The issue of recognition (of Israel) is a decided issue," Mashaal said. "We don't intend to recognize Israel."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel
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1 posted on 03/03/2006 12:24:13 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv
"The issue of recognition (of Israel) is a decided issue," Mashaal said. "We don't intend to recognize Israel."

Who you recognize is your peogative, just don't complain when other countries exercise their perogative and pull their funding.
2 posted on 03/03/2006 12:26:17 PM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: contemplator

Shocking...Hamas won't recognize Israel. Nobody could have seen this coming./sarcasm.

CUT OFF THE FUNDING.


3 posted on 03/03/2006 12:28:11 PM PST by Tulane
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To: AntiGuv
The notion of terrorists changing views is a waste of time. Its akin to demanding a tiger change its stripes.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 03/03/2006 12:31:31 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AntiGuv
"If Israel officially announces its readiness to withdraw from all territories occupied in 1967, the return of Palestinian refugees, the closure of settlements, the dismantling of the dividing wall, the release of all prisoners, then our movement will take a big step toward peace," he said.

That statement while sticking to Hamas' tradition of ambiguity could be significant, because Hamas in the past has called for Israel's elimination altogether.

"I won't give overly optimistic forecasts, but this is a step in the right direction," Lavrov was quoted as saying. He cautioned, however, that "there is a long way to go to resume the peace process."

A turd by any other name is still a turd, Lavrov. I wonder if Hamas has such a fine sense of diplomatic nuance as the striped pants diplomats of the quartet.

5 posted on 03/03/2006 12:33:52 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (The only good muslim is a bad muslim)
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To: AntiGuv; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ..
Hamas' tradition of ambiguity

What part of WE WANT TO KILL JEWS AND DESTROY ISRAEL is ambiguous?

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6 posted on 03/03/2006 12:35:35 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 18-22)
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To: AntiGuv

There's nothing ambiguous about that statement. No wonder the world is so messed up. People hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.


7 posted on 03/03/2006 12:39:24 PM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: Alouette

Hamas is like excrement. It's only benefit would be derived from its removal. That being said, they should get the aerial version of stool softeners..


8 posted on 03/03/2006 12:52:17 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: AntiGuv

9 posted on 03/03/2006 12:55:55 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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10 posted on 03/03/2006 1:00:59 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: Stellar Dendrite

What kind of bum doesn't build a new life since 1967. Even the Red Sox have won a World Series since 1967.


11 posted on 03/03/2006 1:06:09 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: AntiGuv
Good! If they softened on Israel it would be all lies anyway. Better to have them open and honest about their intents.
12 posted on 03/03/2006 1:06:57 PM PST by fish hawk (Aloha ke Akua)
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To: AntiGuv
Mandatory Reading (if you desire understanding of what's transpiring in the World Web of Islamic-Communist American adversaries):

13 posted on 03/03/2006 1:10:56 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was here today)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

What kind of bum doesn't build a new life since 1967. Even the Red Sox have won a World Series since 1967.


14 posted on 03/03/2006 1:16:53 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: AntiGuv

There is something refreshing in an enemy who refuses to deny that they are an enemy.


15 posted on 03/03/2006 1:32:57 PM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A fear of Bush spying and of offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: fish hawk; Defiant

I will at least give Hamas credit for being honest and consistent in its stance toward Israel. This makes it much more difficult for Israeli leftists and those around the world who profess to be for "peace" in the Mid East to condemn Israel for defending itself.

That being said, an implacable enemy is an implacable enemy: Israel's choice is to destroy Hamas or be destroyed by it. With Iran (a master at using proxies to conduct terror without leaving any of its own fingerprints) close to developing a nuke, Israel has to seriously consider that a nuke could be given to Hamas and smuggled into Israel. Were I in charge over there, I'd be planning to reoccupy all of Gaza and drive out the population (as gently as possible, but with an unwavering goal of full success). A Hamas-led Gaza is a dagger pointed at Israel's throat - remove the dagger or it will remove you.


16 posted on 03/03/2006 1:50:27 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
I agree but it seems that Israel is giving away more land rather than taking it back. The Israeli left is a great danger to them as is our left here in America.
17 posted on 03/03/2006 1:56:40 PM PST by fish hawk (Aloha ke Akua)
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To: AntiGuv
"Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur'an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief." - Hamas Charter, Article 8 - official slogan.

"[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement" - Hamas Charter, Article 13.

"Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims.... We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters.... I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill." - Hamas Charter, Article 15.

"The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men.... raising the children upon the moral concepts and values which derive from Islam; and of educating their sons to observe the religious injunctions in preparation for the duty of Jihad awaiting them." - Hamas Charter, Articles 17 & 18.

"Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam.... The members of other religions must desist from struggling against Islam." - Hamas Charter, Article 31.

"This, for the purpose of calling upon the Arab and Islamic peoples as well as their governments, popular and official associations, to fear Allah in their attitude towards and dealings with Hamas, and to be, in accordance with Allah's will, its supporters and partisans who extend assistance to it and provide it with reinforcement after reinforcement, until the Decree of Allah is fulfilled, the ranks are over-swollen, Jihad fighters join other Jihad fighters, and all this accumulation sets out from everywhere in the Islamic world, obeying the call of duty, and intoning "Come on, join Jihad!" Hamas will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit." - Hamas Charter, Article 33.

Nothing ambiguous about those Hamas statements.
18 posted on 03/03/2006 3:58:52 PM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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19 posted on 03/03/2006 8:50:54 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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Thanks for the ping Salem. Israel should destroy hamas.


20 posted on 03/03/2006 8:53:46 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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