Posted on 02/26/2006 3:05:25 AM PST by mal
An interview with Hamas's new prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh: "Do you accept the Oslo agreement signed by Yasser Arafat? Israel has stopped completely committing itself to Oslo. ... So you will not abide by past agreements made by the Palestinians and Israel? I have not said that. I have said that Israel . . . But you are not the prime minister of Israel. Will you abide by past agreements made by the Palestinian governments and Israel? We will review all agreements and abide by those that are in the interest of the Palestinian people. What agreements will you honor? The ones that will guarantee the establishment of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital with 1967 borders -- as well as agreements that would release prisoners
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Look at the minimal things Hamas is asked to do in the intrest of peace. And it objects. Then look at the intricate detailed list of things Israel is demanded to do, before Hamas will agree to do anything. The Palestinian mind is an amazing thing to behold.
Sounds like the normal muslim way of dealing with those they think are infidels. I do not like what is happening with Israel right now. I looks like some of her leaders are trying to make peace with these scum by giving up a bit of land when the real game by the other side is their destruction.
I completely agree. What's more, it drives me crazy to see our leaders pressure Israel to make concessions.
What this does is encourage the rest of the world to make demands on Israel they'd never make on the Palestinians.
No. We should demand that Hamas either join the civilized world, or starve. If we give one dime to Hamas short of them recognizing Israel's right to exist, we should have our heads examined.
Sharon made a wise choice. Keep those settlements that are large and sustainable and incorporate them into Israel, eliminate those that are not, then withdraw from the remaining territories and build a wall around them.
You cant make deals with these people.
hudna A time out in Islamic parlance, as many of us know by now, is a hudna, which is not a peace settlement but more of a cease fire while they lick their wounds and re-arm for the fight to come.
The interview is very revealing, but the reporter needs to bone up on his understanding of islamic words & their meanings. Hamas intends no PEACE accord with Israel, but in his own words is willing to discuss the conditions of a hudna. A hudna is not the same as PEACE in islam. Islam claims PEACE only when for muslims and that PEACE only comes with islamic rule of the world. They will be counting on the liberals of the world to help them. They tipped their hand in that they know already the world is beginning to lean towards them, their suffering, their victimhood, etc. They are going to be working very hard with propaganda about their oppression.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Yeah, but according to Hamas Israel is an "occupying" power. In fact that's the take many in the Democratic Party also have.
Yet millions of American Jews who support Israel continue to vote Democratic. Go figure.
I agree with you. No peace is intended, only using negotiations to buy time and to gain any advantages they can.
Ultimately, those people will have to be destroyed. They are not a country, only amalgamations of gangs. At least now they have the facade of a country and can act as a government. That means their leaders can be destroyed as a government when they violate agreements or refuse to prevent others from doing so.
It is only a matter of when the provocation will occur.
However, a danger of their being a government is they can make agreements with other countries, like Russia or China, to come to their aid if they are attacked. That could get dicey.
OK, so they don't wish to throw them into the sea, but apparently they don't wish to print Israel on their maps or teach it's existence to their young, nor acknowledge they have a right to exist.
And until they give up the "Sharks with friggin' laser beams" thing we aren't going anywhere with peace...
Understand the provocation will be twisted into some breaking of part of the hudna. Look at the whole interview and the expectations being placed in Israel. The reporter did try to get him to focus back on what Hamas will do, but all of the responsibility gets laid back at Israel. Hamas accepts no responsibility.
Therefore in the hudna Hamas only needs some perceived slight or even insult to the palistinian people to break it. In fact, when they feel they are strong enough they will break the hudna. They are using this as a tactic and their best example was when, "...the conquest of Mecca. Instead of a rapid victory, Muhammad made a ten-year treaty with the Kuraysh tribe. In 628 AD, after only two years of the ten-year treaty, Muhammad and his forces concluded that the Kuraysh were too weak to resist. The Muslims broke the treaty and took over all of Mecca without opposition," as described in the Palestine Chronicle, (July 6, 2003); Embassy of Israel (USA), (June 27, 2003).
The interview indicates this is nearly the exact same tactic used thousands of years ago. History repeating itself.
FYI...
What you describe is an often used tactic of the unscrupulous. The Communists did the same in Korea and Vietnam. The Democrats con the Republicans all the time. The sad part about it is such tactics only work on the good guys. Other evil opponents would never fall for it and would instead be seeking the same advantage for themselves.
That is also true of pacifism. It only works with honorable people. Tyrants, who the pacifists are usually working for, would roll right over them without a second thought.
The evil ones know this about free societies and they exploit it to the hilt. What they don't know is where the inevitable breaking point is, when the good guys have had enough and finally retaliate. That is what we are looking at in Israel.
Palestinian mind....?????????
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Well, I'll tell you what Ismail, I don't want to cause Heather Locklear sleepless nights wondering why I don't call.
We both have about equal chance.
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Try the Israel of 2006, you idiot.
Israel say it will ... recognize the rights of the refugees to return to Israel.
Yeah, that would be really smart of Israel. (/sarcasm)
All we seek is to be given our land back...
Obviously, this guy has never played Risk before.
I am convinced that the American people would not want to see the Palestinians suffer the way they do.
Yes, but I don't think we agree on how to end their suffering.
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