Posted on 02/24/2006 11:05:41 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser
Calling a follower of Aleister "The Beast" Crowley not a Satanist is a distinction with little difference.
Satanist (or Black Magik practicioners) also take Christian constructs and pervert them, as you surely must know. Crowley took "The Beast" and Babalon from Christian references.
As to whether Crowley, Hubbard or Parsons were Satanists, I'm not sure it's a distinction worth arguing over, like debating whether Crowley was sick or just very twisted.
However, you are aware of Parson and The Church of Thelema, yes? And the moonchild? And Parson's "The Book of Babalon"?
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An "Exemption-for-Votes" scandal
Scientology is a total weirdo cult. Satanists are just militant atheists. They don't worship ANYTHING (except maybe the freedom to be who they want to be). They enjoy ticking Christians off by revelling in their atheism and holding fake "Satanic rituals" that are specifically designed to go against the grain of Christianity. That's all there is to it. Heck, even the Satanism name is used because of the negative effect it has on Christians.
I was amazed by the Satanic Bible. I thought it was gonna be weird and cultish, too, but it turned out to be VERY conservative and preached self reliance and freedom above everyting else.
Xenu? Now I know what Robert A. Heinlein meant when he wrote "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh." He was talking about L.Ron!
Yup! Favorite sci-fi book of all time is Battlefield Earth, and I have read hundreds (thousands?) of sci-fi novels. Still, the fact that he came up with such a scam is mind-boggling.
I got out almost FORTY years ago and I STILL get solicitation mail from those idiots!
The big neon sign on top of their worldwide headquarters says it all.
Here's what it has to do with it:
Satanism is about personal power. Particularly power over others.
Black Magik is quite similar and the two are often found together. So we can consider them together for purposes of comparison.
In these, philosophies lets call them, it is ok to gain power over others for your selfish desires, and methods for gaining power over others are taught and practiced.
It is not without reason that Hubbard's son said his father's religion was Black Magik, very slowly done Black Magik.
The purpose of both is power over others for your gain.
From the RS article: "Parsons was also a follower of the English occultist Aleister Crowley. Parsons befriended Hubbard and invited him to move onto his estate. In one of the stranger chapters in Hubbard's life, recorded in detail by several biographers, the soon-to-be founder of Dianetics became Parsons' assistant -- helping him with a variety of black-magic and sex rituals, including one in which Parsons attempted to conjure a literal "whore of Babalon [sic]," with Hubbard serving as apprentice."
Doesn't matter what you call them ('Satanist' or 'Black majik')-- Parsons, Crowley and Hubbard were deeply disturbed men.
Granted it can cloud the discussion. However to not see the references would likewise lead to a large gap in the discussion.
For example, what was the purpose of The Babalon Working and what does Babalon refer to?
The folks on "The 4400" were actually abuducted in the past and returned to the present. If that isn't enough to start a religion, I don't know what is.
Scientology has used all kinds of violence and intimidation before. (www.clambake.org)
Rather than the out in the open burn, rape and pillage violence that Islam uses, they us a more insideous form of personal destruction targetted at speific people who dare speak out against the colt. There are similarties in the reasons and motives, but big differences in the methods, but people have certainly died at the hands of Scientologists, as well ahs had (more commonly) their financial, social, and personal lives utterly and systematically destroyed.
All for holding 1 Campbell's soup can in each hand and calling it a Religion.
I can't argue that. Point taken!
>>> Parsons, Crowley and Hubbard were deeply disturbed men.<<<
Make that 'sick bastards'
Um.. thats cult, not colt.... bah.. when is FR getting an "edit" featuer?
From reading your other posts, I thought you would actually know something about Satanism. I was wrong, you obviously have no clue.
"But some people, the officials admit, refuse to be handled. What happens to them? "Then I guess not believing in Scientology means more to them than not seeing their family," Davis says."
This Davis guy is in dire need of a swift kick to the n*ts.
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