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Prosecutors Say [Holocaust Denier] Irving Jail Term Should Be Longer
Times Online UK ^
| 02/21/2006
| Phillippe Naughton
Posted on 02/21/2006 12:05:55 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: Alouette; SJackson; veronica; Slings and Arrows
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:06:34 PM PST
by
KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:07:22 PM PST
by
Wolfie
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What a shame. He ought to have the right to be an ignoramus if he wants. And might I ask what "You're dead, and we're glad. Rest in pieces, witch" means?
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:08:09 PM PST
by
Tim Long
(I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I'm not sure I buy this. I don't see how the reaction to him (IE let's chuck him in the can for being an obnoxious jerk) is very much preferable to the reaction of Norwegian Muslims to the Mohammad Cartoons.
The Norwegian Muslims called for the editor to be put in jail for "his own protection", because "they were not sure they could control the anger" over the cartoons.
I see censorship as censorship. I'm fully in favor of stating this man is as stupid as Pat Buchanan for engaging in holocaust denial. But to put him in jail for his beliefs, wrong answer.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:10:54 PM PST
by
.cnI redruM
(Spreading liberal beliefs is as wrong as spreading AIDS.)
To: Tim Long
And might I ask what "You're dead, and we're glad. Rest in pieces, witch" means?What it says.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:11:38 PM PST
by
KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
It will be interesting to see which 'journalists' who have spoken out against his sentence, and the Holocaust law in general will have to say regarding the impeding--I really hope I'm wrong-- Islam powered Blasphemy law.
While many on this baord blast this law, Europe has its reasons for having this law. They want to make sure an important part of its past is not re-written by modern 'historians', and holocaust denial statements are essentially viewed by Europe as hate speech.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:13:49 PM PST
by
ozoneliar
("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I'm not sure the sentence accomplishes much, they should have simply thrown him out of the country, but clearly Austria is concerned about their local neo-Nazis. Who, I might add, are chummy with the local Islamists in many parts of the world. Think David Duke, and now Le Pen.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:17:34 PM PST
by
SJackson
(There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I think Irving's sentence is stupid. He is not a threat to anyone.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:19:20 PM PST
by
Alouette
(Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
To: .cnI redruM
Pat Buchanan has not, to my understanding, engaged in Holocaust denial. You might want to bring in a specific reference for that.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:19:25 PM PST
by
muawiyah
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To: ozoneliar
While many on this baord blast this law, Europe has its reasons for having this law.
Yep. The reason is that Europeans are still Nazis at heart and haven't figured out that free speech means free speech.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:19:57 PM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
To: SJackson
Who, I might add, are chummy with the local Islamists in many parts of the world. Think David Duke, and now Le Pen. These people think their goals are the same, but the neo-nazis will thrown aside quicker than a used condom when Islamists have no use for their 'infidel' tool has outlived his usefullness.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:20:48 PM PST
by
ozoneliar
("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Irving's expressions of regret were "considered to be mere lip service to the law".
Austria's justice system sounds like it needs an overhaul. They jail a person for his beliefs then say he's a liar when he changes them.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:21:00 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
To: ozoneliar
European elites have this thing about what they call "hate speech". What it usually means is that you criticized something the elites are trying to force off on society.
The Holocaust denial laws are quite a different thing.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:22:06 PM PST
by
muawiyah
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:23:04 PM PST
by
Tim Long
(I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
To: Tim Long
Who's the dead witch?"Flapjack" Corrie.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:24:19 PM PST
by
KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
To: muawiyah
Pat Buchanan has not, to my understanding, engaged in Holocaust denial. You might want to bring in a specific reference for that. You misread the guys post. I'm fully in favor of stating this man is as stupid as Pat Buchanan for engaging in holocaust denial
He said he is as stupid as Pat[insert break] for his[Austrian guy's] activity i.e holocaust denial. He isn't saying Pat has engaged in that actvity.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:26:20 PM PST
by
ozoneliar
("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
To: muawiyah
SO I'll just stick to his calls for continued funding of Hamas in Palestine.
New Democrats: Hamas and Hezbollah
by Patrick J. Buchanan
You can find it here...
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=5204
On Antiwar.com
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:31:06 PM PST
by
.cnI redruM
(Spreading liberal beliefs is as wrong as spreading AIDS.)
To: SJackson
Who, I might add, are chummy with the local Islamists in many parts of the world. Think David Duke, and now Le Pen.Le Pen may be anti-Semitic, but chummy with Islamists? I find that awfully hard to believe, because he hates Muslims too. Got a reference for any of that?
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:31:26 PM PST
by
Alter Kaker
("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
To: ozoneliar
The guy's post had this phrase ".... this man is as stupid as Pat Buchanan for engaging in holocaust denial....".
Rules of grammar and logic dictate to me that the dependent clause (for engaging in holocaust) applies to Pat Buchanan, against whom "this man" is being compared.
Best bet is to say ".... this man who engaged in Holocaust denial is as stupid as Pat buchanan....". that way it will be clear what is being said.
Remember, Pat was accused of being an anti-semite or a fascist sympathizer for two things ~ one of which was for alleged "softness" on neo-Nazis, and for supporting one side in a trial of a guy accused of having been a deathcamp guard. (Turned out guy had been a guard, but not the one some witnesses said he was). Because of this you really have to be careful how you refer to Pat in threads like this one because you will be asked for references to any item for which he was not previously accused.
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:50:10 PM PST
by
muawiyah
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