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British historian sentenced to 3 years for denying Holocaust [David Irving]
CBC News ^ | 20 Feb 2006 | CBC News

Posted on 02/20/2006 6:20:05 PM PST by indcons

British historian David Irving was sentenced in Austria to three years in prison after pleading guilty on Monday to charges of denying the Holocaust, saying he erred in contending there were no Nazi gas chambers during the Second World War.

Irving could have received a 10-year prison term. Under Austrian law, it is a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust.

Handcuffed and wearing a dark suit, Irving arrived at the courthouse in Vienna carrying one of his books, Hitler's War, which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving, 68, told the court.

Before entering the courtroom, Irving told reporters he now believes the Nazis slaughtered Jews during the war.

"History is like a constantly changing tree," said Irving. "The more you know, the more documents become available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."

Irving has written close to 30 books.

He was arrested in November 1989 after giving speeches in Austria in which he denied the Nazis killed six million Jews.

Irving had contended most of the Jews who died during the war succumbed to diseases such as typhus.

The Austrian law, enacted in 1992, also forbids the formation of any neo-Nazi party, handing out a 10- to 20-year prison sentence for those convicted. Austria's Justice Ministry says there have been 158 convictions under the law between 1999 and 2004.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: davidirving; holocaust; holocaustdenier; irving
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Dhimmi/Islamist tool Pat Buchanan won't be going to Austria anytime soon.
1 posted on 02/20/2006 6:20:09 PM PST by indcons
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This is a bizarre news story; I thought i was a spoof at first, or some type of "The Onion" story. I can't believe Austria holds it a crime to deny/justify/diminish the Holocaust, punishable by prison term. I mean, i'm all for discouraging stupidity among the population, but punishing absurd opinions with prison time seems a wee bit excessive.


2 posted on 02/20/2006 6:23:22 PM PST by Proud2BAmerican
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To: indcons

If the law has been in effect only since 1992, how was he arrested in 1989?


3 posted on 02/20/2006 6:23:32 PM PST by Excuse_Me (How small, of all that human hearts endure, that part which laws and kings can cause or cure. --S.J.)
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To: indcons
Hey, the Austrian government likes the Islamofascists and their running dog lackeys just fine. That's why they continue to use their speech codes to keep people from discussing "things fascist", one side or the other.

France has actually begun prosecuting people who speak ill of Islamofascism, and Austria is not far behind.

Europeans generally have the idea that if you can just punish people for what they say they won't do bad things.

4 posted on 02/20/2006 6:23:48 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Excuse_Me

I think the previous arrest is in no way connected to this latest sentence by the Austrian court. I think both Austria and Germany have had such laws for a few decades now (post WW2).


5 posted on 02/20/2006 6:25:18 PM PST by indcons
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To: Proud2BAmerican
but punishing absurd opinions with prison time seems a wee bit excessive.

thank goodness we replaced the nazi's with the thought police ....

7 posted on 02/20/2006 6:27:40 PM PST by clamper1797 (We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties)
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To: indcons

more here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582131/posts


8 posted on 02/20/2006 6:27:42 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Excuse_Me; indcons

The article is in error. The law dates from 1948.


9 posted on 02/20/2006 6:28:04 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: muawiyah

What on earth are you babbling about? Austria is easily the most conservative of the old EU-15 nations.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 6:28:54 PM PST by AntiGuv
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If we had a "denying the WMDs" law, we could put two thirds of the Democrat party in jail.
11 posted on 02/20/2006 6:29:30 PM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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I think they take it more serious b/c of their intimate experience with the Nazis. Just like how Germany bans the swastika and numerous other things related to the Nazis.

I don't agree with the law (though I shed no tears at a jerk like Irving getting jail time). But it's the law the Austrian people decided on. You have to follow the laws or pay the price.


12 posted on 02/20/2006 6:31:01 PM PST by g_suvorov
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To: indcons

Fifth (at least) post of this story.


13 posted on 02/20/2006 6:31:14 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: indcons

Terrible sentence. Jailing assorted cranks and nincompoops who hold bizarre views does not help get rid of antisemitism. What next? Laws jailing people who insult Mohammad? I would not put this past the ultra-sensitive secularist European crowd.Free speech should have NO restrictions.Period.


14 posted on 02/20/2006 6:33:38 PM PST by raj bhatia
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To: AntiGuv
The anti-Nazi laws were installed by the Allies. The Germans and Austrians were required to validate those laws to gain independence.

To the degree the speech-codes are part of the anti-Nazi laws, they can be blamed on the victors in the biggest war ever held ~ and, of course, Germany and Austria were the losers of that war.

However, the laws that focus on so-called "Holocaust Revisionism" are more recent. Although I'm sure they have an older statutory basis, much of the craziest stuff comes out of former court rulings (stare decesis), and clever inventions by prosecutors intent on having an anti-Nazi laurel in their cap when running for elective office.

The Allies did not install free speech or a free press in Germany or Austria, which is one of the reasons the Germans and Austrians appear to be doing totally bizarre things when it comes to speech. Most Americans find these prosecutions to be totally alien ~ the very sort of thing to make us want to keep our distance from them, and maintain the occupation into the indefinite future.

In short, prosecuting people for speech is simply more evidence of the fundamental authoritarian nature of the Central European political mind ~ and we must continue to be on our guard against it once again taking a turn to totalitarianism.

15 posted on 02/20/2006 6:35:26 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: AntiGuv
You can think that all you wish, but traditional Central European authoritarianism, modern Liberalism, German Nazism and Islamofascism have too much in common to consider them anything but manifestations of the same dangerous thought patterns.

Only free speech can serve to dispel the problem.

16 posted on 02/20/2006 6:37:37 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Revolting cat!

Different source and title.....perfectly okay according to FR rules (unless you have made up new ones).


17 posted on 02/20/2006 6:42:03 PM PST by indcons
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To: Proud2BAmerican

overcompensating for being the birthplace of hitler


18 posted on 02/20/2006 6:42:54 PM PST by mfnorman
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To: Andy from Beaverton

LMAO...good one.


19 posted on 02/20/2006 6:43:37 PM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

Historian? What do you expect from an academic.


20 posted on 02/20/2006 6:43:51 PM PST by Brilliant
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