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Hamas And The IRA
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 2/16/06 | Asaf Romirowsky

Posted on 02/16/2006 10:12:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge

When Palestinians revealed their true colors electing Hamas to 74 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council, the Arab world was dumb-struck. An Islamist terror group had finally snatched power from the ruling old guard and woke up the world to a new Middle East reality. But does Hamas' victory really represent the decisive shift where Palestinian politics began going down-hill?

Historians and students of current affairs often compare the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to that between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republican Army (IRA), in which an organization claiming to represent Catholics took up arms against Irish Protestants and the British. For decades, the IRA's modus operandi was slaying thousands of innocent men, women and children. It also utilized terror tactics such as human bombs, which involved chaining one of its unfortunate victims to the steering wheel of a lorry laden with explosives, which was then exploded. The IRA was Western Europe's most successful terror organization and has spread its malign tentacles across the globe. The parallels with Hamas are inescapable.

Since the IRA has disarmed, the IRA's days of major violence are behind, but certain comparisons are still instructive. Even when the IRA agreed to a cease-fire or a hudna they not only continued to plan but also implemented attacks. Splinter groups such as the ‘Real IRA' continue to threaten and undertake smaller scale operations, although it is unclear whether these are in fact rogue operations or in fact sanctioned by the IRA itself. And most importantly, throughout the many years of negotiations, the IRA continually threatened to return to violence if its conditions were not met. So are Hamas and the IRA similar in their actions and practices? Can the IRA case help us predict Hamas' actions?

The IRA's willingness to accept a cease-fire was recognized as well received; however, the IRA's possession of illegal weapons quickly generated friction and tension that took years to overcome. Terrorist expert Ely Karmon explains the IRA's enduring attachment to arms and their difficulty with disarmament:

"No paramilitary organization - even those which ostensibly support the Belfast Agreement - is prepared to surrender its weapons. The Irish Times reports that hundreds of tons of weapons are said to be cached all over Ireland, ‘from bunkers in the midlands and southwest of Ireland to concrete-lined holes under kitchens in houses across Northern Ireland.'"[1]

It is also worth noting that the single most deadly bombing, the Omagh bombing of August 1998, took place after the signing of the Good Friday Agreement and its overwhelming approval by the Northern Irish electorate. The "Real IRA" was quickly repudiated by all parties. Still, these events brought into high relief the question of verifying IRA decommissioning, a problem that brought the peace process to a standstill. The IRA's vague promises of "putting weapons beyond use" were insufficient, and the crisis of 2002, where devolution was suspended and direct rule reintroduced nearly brought open warfare. It was not until the spectacular bank robbery of December 2004, in which the IRA was a suspect, and then the horrific beating death of Robert McCartney in January 2005, that unprecedented pressure was put on the IRA, even from Gerry Adams.

So based on the IRA model are we to expect Hamas to reform and democratize? Ironically before the elections it was the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority that continually refused to disarm Hamas. Now Hamas will become the Palestinian Authority. Having fought, literally, to keep its weapons for many years, the chances of Hamas voluntarily disarming are tiny, particularly since their ideology calls for continuing warfare against Israel and Jews.

All these contrasts come back to the one major difference between the IRA and Hamas -- religion. For the Irish, religion is not rooted in all facets of life as it is in with Israelis and Palestinians. Religion in Northern Ireland is understood as a cultural and historical force, while in the Middle East it ties Israelis and Palestinians to the same land. Furthermore, Hamas being a religious organization claims religious justifications for attempting to wipe out Israel. This factor is what differentiates the two groups and will ultimately prove how futile Hamas' reform efforts are.

There is a domestic side to Hamas' victory. Hamas popularity did not increase because of Abbas' weakness; it actually began even before Oslo as a political counter force to Arafat's PLO. And as Arafat's corruption grew, the support for Hamas within Palestinian society became stronger.

One of Hamas' biggest achievements is demonstrating its agility to differentiate between the short-term objective of a Palestinian State within the West Bank and Gaza and the long term objective of creating an Islamist State on the land of Palestine that would eliminate Israel. Maintaining this balance is what allowed Hamas to survive. But regardless of tactics, eliminating Israel is fundamental to Hamas' theology. For its part the IRA wanted England out of Ireland, not England out of England.

During the "Oslo - years of hope," while Arafat and the PLO were signing agreements with the "Zionist entity," Hamas was focusing on blowing up Israelis and the peace process. And while Arafat and his cronies were living the good life on the backs of Palestinian society it was Hamas' schools and medical facilities that served the masses. Arafat knew he couldn't avoid the growing support for Hamas; thus, he paid them off as well as giving them his blessing for attacking Israel. As then Israeli Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Amnon Lipkin-Shahak told Israel Radio on March 23, 1997, "organizations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad have an understanding from the Palestinian Authority to carry out attacks." Furthermore, in his early days in Egypt, Arafat was associated with the Muslim Brotherhood so it was not a stretch for this seemingly secular revolutionary to lend a hand to Hamas.

The Palestinian Authority's lack of control over extremists during Fatah's rule proved abortive and now under Hamas' leadership there is no doubt that Israelis require an unabated need for more security. The only positive outcome of these elections is now when the PA attacks Israelis there can be no hiding behind the canard of "extremists" who cannot be controlled. Furthermore, when the IRA bid farewell to its arms it was welcomed with open arms into the EU which translated into economical incentives. Palestinians, however, value their ideology of hate much more than they do such incentives, and they will not give it up no matter what the cost.

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[1] http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=73


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/16/2006 10:12:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but wasn't Fatah a de facto terror org?


2 posted on 02/16/2006 10:23:07 PM PST by ECM
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To: NormsRevenge
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So much for free speech, Americans paid for the IRA terrorist activities and now those skills are being exported against the Israelis and across the world, if you sad yanks can' t take responsibility for your actions, well expect to be pissed on, your stupidity is gonna bite your sad asses.

4 posted on 02/17/2006 12:46:08 AM PST by spitz
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To: spitz

Well Spitz, your words ring quite true.


5 posted on 02/17/2006 4:42:22 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
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To: spitz

To be fair, I think the IRA supporters/funders in the US, particularly in NYC learnt a lot about terrorism on 911. I saw 'charity' boxes in bars in NYC with signs on like 'Donate a dollar and help kill another Brit soldier' during the eighties and of course the poor fools who put money in were too dumb to realise that the IRA had close links with all the muslim terror groups and shared their skills with them. Those donations paid for the IRA terrorists to meet with al-quaeda in the Libyan desert in the early nineties and swap techniques for weapons. Those techniques arrived in NYC on 911 and those donations were returned with interest, sadly.


6 posted on 02/17/2006 5:26:08 AM PST by albionvectis
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7 posted on 02/17/2006 5:36:02 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: spitz
Take it easy spitz. We Yanks are learning, and abandoning our "IRA indoctrination" that we were brought up with.

A few years ago I was all for Sinn Fein, and the IRA. I don't deny that at Irish festivals and St. Patrick's day we bought bumper stickers and shirts that undoubtedly financed Sinn Fein.

Thanks to Free Republic, and the many Irish and Brits who post here, I am very much against them now. In fact, I am probably much more pro-England than I am for Ireland.

Please don't blame all of us plastic paddies here in the US. Only a very few, mainly in Boston, are big IRA supporters. From your recent and passed posts, you seem to have a lot of venom in your statements.

You will gain many more supporters if you don't come across as having so much animosity. I wish you the best, and hope you guys clean house with the IRA pukes. They serve neither Ireland or Catholicism, and have become a disgrace from their noble origin.

Regards,

Theoden
8 posted on 02/17/2006 6:13:57 AM PST by Theoden (Fidei Defensor - Deus vult!)
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To: spitz

Don't pin all the heat on the IRA, the UVF and orange lodge scum are no better.


9 posted on 02/17/2006 1:01:25 PM PST by Yank_In_A_Tank
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Happygal

Bump


10 posted on 02/17/2006 1:05:14 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible; NormsRevenge; Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; ...

There is no difference between the IRA and Hamas.


11 posted on 02/17/2006 1:20:57 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: spitz

What was post #3? I presume it was an IRA troll.


12 posted on 02/17/2006 1:27:58 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Yank_In_A_Tank

Eliminate both of them.


13 posted on 02/17/2006 1:28:33 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: albionvectis
Those donations paid for the IRA terrorists to meet with al-quaeda in the Libyan desert in the early nineties and swap techniques for weapons.

Yes, and there are AQ operatives here in Ireland - no doubt Sinn Fein/IRA are providing them with a safe haven.

14 posted on 02/17/2006 1:30:46 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Theoden
Please don't blame all of us plastic paddies here in the US. Only a very few, mainly in Boston, are big IRA supporters.

Boston does appear to be an IRA heartland.

15 posted on 02/17/2006 1:33:02 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Boston does appear to be an IRA heartland.

Yep. With a smaller outpost in the Bronx boro of NYC.

16 posted on 02/17/2006 1:43:51 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

HEHE, enclaves!!


17 posted on 02/17/2006 1:49:56 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Yank_In_A_Tank
Don't pin all the heat on the IRA, the UVF and orange lodge scum are no better.

Exactly correct. If the Brits hadn't allowed such oppression of the Irish to go on for 400 years, maybe it wouldn't have required an IRA to set things straight.

I'm just glad 'The Troubles' are behind us. (hopefully)

18 posted on 02/17/2006 1:50:51 PM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

The IRA and the loyalist terrorist are both scum, the are the enemies of Irish and British democracy.

The IRA is involved in a criminal conspiracy to overthrow Irish democracy.


19 posted on 02/17/2006 1:58:09 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Indeed, as an Irish American I can only hope that peace may someday reign in Northern Ireland and both Catholics and Protestants can live together in peace.


20 posted on 02/17/2006 5:07:32 PM PST by Yank_In_A_Tank
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