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To: nmh

OK, so are Muslims Arabs? Cuz that's who came from Ishmael; the Jews came from Isaac. What exactly is Muslim?


9 posted on 02/15/2006 6:13:30 PM PST by jackibutterfly (.)
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To: jackibutterfly

An adherent of "TROP"(The Religion of Peace). BTW, would you like to buy three bridges in lower Manhattan?


11 posted on 02/15/2006 6:21:23 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: jackibutterfly

Most Arabs are Muslims.

Muslims believe that they are the special hier NOT Isaac. Both were promised to have nations however Isaac has the special blessing.

Perhaps this website can better explain this:

http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/gen16-3.html

Linkage Between Ishmael and Islam Today?

Ishmael's hostility and propensity to violence were rooted in the sin of his own scoffing and jealous attitude towards his brother Isaac. Muslims today are those in whom this vicious cycle has not been broken. They have voluntarily chosen to identify with Ishmael and have, consciously or unconsciously, embraced the spirit of that ancient and bitter rivalry. The present-day animosity of Islam towards Jews and Christians, in this author's opinion, can be traced to the Islamic embrace of the spirit of Ishmael. Hunter's analysis fits Islam today, and, we might add, all the rest of mankind who have not experienced the forgiveness of their sins in Jesus Christ.

http://injil.org/Books/FamOfAbraham.html#CHAPTER%205

more:

The Wild Donkey Prophecy

Let us look again at that verse about Ishmael's characteristics: "He will be a wild donkey of a man . . ." (Gen. 16:12). "A wild donkey of a man." What does it mean? God, in His withering rebuke to Job, spoke of the wild donkey:

Who let the wild donkey go free? Who untied his ropes? I gave him the wasteland as his home, and the salt flats as his habitat. He laughs at the commotion in the town; he does not hear a driver's shout. He ranges the hills for his pasture and searches for any green thing (Job 39:5-8).

Ishmael was to be strong, wild and free; and we might add, he also would be difficult, holding his brothers in contempt, despising town life, loving his freedom to the point of not being able to get along with his own kin or anyone else. As one commentary puts it: "The Ishmaelites live in an incessant state of feud . . . with one another or with their neighbours" and in the same passage quoted above, "Ishmael would maintain an independent standing before [in the presence of] all the descendants of Abraham" (Keil and Delitzsch, Reprint, 1954, 1:220). In the light of these characteristics, Muhammad was a true descendant of Ishmael. While trying desperately to tie into the genealogical tree of Biblical prophets, he fiercely maintained his independence as an "Arab prophet" with an "Arabic Quran" (Q. 12:1; 20:113; 46:12).

Just browse through the site for more information.

Bottom line is this, they too see a "prophet" coming soon just as the Christians and Jews do, however this Profit is Christ. So both sides are preparing to dominate. Of course Christ will win because their "prophet" is not the Messiah.




Muslims truly believe that they have it right however the Bible states otherwise.


15 posted on 02/15/2006 6:34:34 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: jackibutterfly
Perhaps this will sum it up more clearly:

What do Muslims believe about terrorism?

By Fr. Robert Marshall, Pastor Sacred Heart-Humboldt, St. Matthew-Milan

QUESTION: What is "Islam"? What do Muslims believe? Do they hate Christians? What do they believe about terrorism?

ANSWER: Together with Judaism and Christianity, Islam is one of the three great religious traditions of the Western world. Indeed, Muslims (those who practice Islam) share historical connections with both Christians and Jews. Islam was founded by the prophet Muhammad (who lived from A.D. 570-632). Muslims and Jews both see themselves as descendants of Abraham. Jews, of course, trace their lineage to Isaac (the son of Abraham and Sarah), while Muslims trace their lineage to Ishmael (the son of Abraham and Hagar). Muslims believe that Muhammad was the greatest prophet of God (or Allah, as they call him) though they also revere Jesus as a great prophet and even honor Mary as the virgin mother of Jesus. Unlike Christians, however, Muslims reject the doctrine of the "incarnation." They do not believe that Jesus was God merely human, though one who had a special relationship with God.

Muslims believe that Muhammad received direct revelations from God for a period of over twenty years. These revelations and other religious texts are contained in their scriptures that are called the Qur'an or Koran. Muslims respect other ancient writings, though the Koran has a privileged place in their religion much like the Holy Bible in our tradition. The Islamic faith itself rests on five "pillars": (1) their confession of faith "there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger"; (2) their obligation to pray five times a day (with communal prayer at noon on Fridays); (3) their obligation to tithe to aid the poor; (4) their obligation to engage in a rigorous fast and other ascetical practices during one month of the year (the month of Ramadan in their calendar); and (5) their obligation to make a pilgrimage to the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca once in their lifetime, if possible. As you can see, the Islamic tradition rests heavily on the obligations of a Muslim to meet specific requirements. Islamic spirituality cannot be separated from Islamic practice. Indeed, the concept of "separation of church and state" is foreign to many Muslims since practicing the Islamic way of life is so important.

At some point in the history of Islam, disputes arose among Muslims over the proper succession to the prophet Muhammad and Islam split into a variety of different sects. Today, numerous Islamic groups exist though one group represents 80-90% of Muslims in the world today. "Sunni" Muslims make up the majority in most of the Islamic countries in the world (Egypt and Turkey, for example). Most Sunni Muslims have made peace with the modern world and engage in business and social functions much like Christians or Jews. They respect the rights of other religions to exist, to own property, and to worship even in Islamic countries. The vast majority of Muslims in America are Sunnis (or belong to a similar sect). Other, more radical groups, also exist the "Shi'ites" of Iran, for example. Some are frequently called "fundamentalist" though the term is used differently than we would use it with respect to fundamentalist Christians. Christian fundamentalists are those who interpret the Bible literally. Islamic fundamentalists place so much importance on the practice of their religion that they do not tolerate any who do not adopt their rigorous standards. All Muslims believe in jihad or "striving" for Islam. Fundamentalists, however, carry jihad to a violent extreme which is why the term jihad has become associated with the term "holy war" though non-fundamentalist Muslims would vigorously argue that the concept does not mean holy war.

Islam and Christianity had an antagonistic relationship for well over a thousand years. Ancient Muslims believed in conversion of peoples by force, if necessary, and often Christians resisted and fought back with similar force. The Crusades of the Middle Ages were fought among Christians and Muslims. In more recent years, Christians (especially Catholics) and Muslims of good will (especially Sunnis) have recognized their common heritage and have emphasized what we have in common primarily a belief in one God (called "monotheism"), and a respect for human life. The Koran specifically rejects suicide and teaches that murder is wrong. When Christians and Muslims are able to build upon this foundation, then the rhetoric of hate will be displaced by mutual respect.

A few fundamentalist Muslims, however, cannot bring themselves to share this view. Their intense opposition to the United States arises from our support of Israel and the presence of our troops on the "holy ground" of Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War. These few extremists resort to terrorism despite the Koran. It is important to note, however, that Muslim terrorists do not represent the majority.



http://www.cdom.org/wtc/wtc_archives/wtc041703/wtc_pages/feature_article1.html
It's alittle dated but you get the idea. When I say, dated, I mean that now Muslims are GROWING in number. Their religion is one of the fastest growing religions!
16 posted on 02/15/2006 6:43:38 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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