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First duty is to yourself (No duty to retreat)
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW ^ | February 5, 2006 | Dimitri Vassilaros

Posted on 02/06/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by neverdem

The law says you must act like a coward. In your own home. Even when your life is threatened.

Many states have criminal-friendly "duty to retreat" laws. A victim in his house is mandated to retreat from an attacker until he is cornered. Only then is the prey allowed to use lethal force on the predator. Prosecutors in those states have been known to victimize the victim (such as charging him with manslaughter) who prefers to fire back rather than to back off.

The National Rifle Association has been trying to end the insanity state by state.

Florida came to its senses last year. It enacted a law based on the "Castle Doctrine" -- that one's home is one's castle. A person now is not legally required to be hunted down room by room by an intruder before the victim pulls the trigger. The law allows the victim to shoot back without fear of being prosecuted for being overzealous about protecting his life. And it prohibits criminals from suing their more aggressive victims. All their victims, actually.

"Somebody should not be twice victimized, first by the assailant and then by the legal system trying to destroy his life," says Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, the largest organization representing gun owners after the NRA.

But the Florida law does more.

Car-jackers beware; now one's car is his mobile castle. And better still, if a victim is not in a home or car, now he legally can use deadly force. Sunshine State criminals without a death wish might want to consider career counseling. Or take Horace Greeley's advice to go west. But if they do, they had better hurry.

Wyoming is the latest battleground. The NRA is lobbying there and in 11 other states to repeal duty-to-retreat laws...

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Pennsylvania; US: Wyoming
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1 posted on 02/06/2006 11:35:26 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Louisiana has never had a duty to retreat. The assailant doesn't even need to be all the way in your house. Or facing you. Or armed.

Besides, juries love it when home intruders get shot.

2 posted on 02/06/2006 11:39:27 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: neverdem
A duty to retreat? Such laws are morally wrong and serve to encourage criminals to comit more crimes. Why is it that in some states the legislators seem to want to make it easier for the criminals and harder on the victims?

Such laws should-be ignored. A person's first duty is to protect his life and the life of others. His second duty is to protect his possessions. This third duty is to go to the pistol range at least once in a while so that he can exercise perfect gun control.
3 posted on 02/06/2006 11:46:35 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: neverdem
I like Pennsylvania - a few years ago a burglar broke into a house in upper Bucks County. The homeowner not only used a gun to chase him out of the house, he then went outside and shot him. The local DA did not press charges.
4 posted on 02/06/2006 11:46:46 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: neverdem
Retreating is what I'll be doing when I go into the kitchen to grab 2 fingers of single malt to calm my nerves after I've shot (until he/she quits moving) an intruder found on the inside of my abode.
5 posted on 02/06/2006 11:50:42 AM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: neverdem; sure_fine

We've got a real Conservative DA here in York County, who has never indicted a home defender, that I can remember.

There was an incident here a few years ago, where a guy ith a tire iron had smashed a motorist's car window, and was bashing him with it. He was shot 3 times, and the shooter was never indicted.

I answer my front door with my 1911A1 .45cal, concealed behind the door, after all the home invasions we're had in the Lancaster and York areas, in the past 2 years. Just to be safe.

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.


6 posted on 02/06/2006 11:51:46 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: neverdem

Does anyone know what states have "duty to retreat" statutes?

I would like to know which states to avoid.


7 posted on 02/06/2006 11:51:59 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: neverdem; sure_fine

We've got a real Conservative DA here in York County, who has never indicted a home defender, that I can remember.

There was an incident here a few years ago, where a guy ith a tire iron had smashed a motorist's car window, and was bashing him with it. He was shot 3 times, and the shooter was never indicted.

I answer my front door with my 1911A1 .45cal, concealed behind the door, after all the home invasions we're had in the Lancaster and York areas, in the past 2 years. Just to be safe.

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.


8 posted on 02/06/2006 11:52:17 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Whoops, sorry for the double post.


9 posted on 02/06/2006 11:52:48 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
just in case anyone misses it

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6


10 posted on 02/06/2006 11:55:18 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: neverdem

And the gun-control lobby insisted that the law in Florida would make Disney World look like the O.K. Corral.

Didn't happen.


11 posted on 02/06/2006 11:56:05 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Beckwith

Try www.packing.org and enter your state from the pull-down menu, at top left.


12 posted on 02/06/2006 11:56:22 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: tx_eggman

"Retreating is what I'll be doing when I go into the kitchen to grab 2 fingers of single malt to calm my nerves after I've shot (until he/she quits moving) an intruder found on the inside of my abode."

Thats right, rest up with a little booze to take the "edge off". You gotta long night ahead of you: gutting, sawing, digging, filling back in the dirt. Then you gotta clean the house and get ready for work the next morning.

No need to involve the cops ... they have enough to worry about.


13 posted on 02/06/2006 11:58:33 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: Gordongekko909

Texas Penal Code

CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY

Subchapter B

§ 9.21.

(c) The use of deadly force is not justified under this section unless the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is specifically required by statute or unless it occurs in the lawful conduct of war. If deadly force is so justified, there is no duty to retreat before using it.


14 posted on 02/06/2006 11:58:52 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: neverdem

I'll take my chances with a jury over a thug criminal every time.

Self defense ends recidivism every time.


15 posted on 02/06/2006 12:03:06 PM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
is not justified under this section unless the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is specifically required by statute or unless it occurs in the lawful conduct of war. If deadly force is so justified, there is no duty to retreat before using it.

Works for me ... I've never seen a case in this wonderful state where the shooting of a burglar wasn't no-billed.

16 posted on 02/06/2006 12:07:46 PM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: neverdem
Not in Texas!! However, if given the opportunity I will retreat and wait in the dark outside my house for the bad guy. He will not leave alive.

This is Texas, it is legal, get used to it.>
17 posted on 02/06/2006 12:11:22 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: tx_eggman

Seems to me a homeowner in Iowa was charged for shooting an intruder during a breakin. This was several years ago, I think. I don't remember the outcome.

Can anyone confirm this? I can't so far.


18 posted on 02/06/2006 12:15:12 PM PST by Crucis Country (Crucis)
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To: neverdem
Sounds like it might be an easy one to beat. Just kill the perp, drag the body into a back room, trash the place a little to make it look like you were running around trying to "retreat" to your redoubt (Panic Room?). I guess you'd have to be careful not to leave any blood trails...
19 posted on 02/06/2006 12:16:55 PM PST by chimera
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To: Lunatic Fringe; Squantos; El Gato; archy; Eaker; Shooter 2.5
Texas Penal Code

CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY

Subchapter B

§ 9.21.

(c) The use of deadly force is not justified under this section unless the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is specifically required by statute or unless it occurs in the lawful conduct of war. If deadly force is so justified, there is no duty to retreat before using it.

Inquiring minds wanted to know!

20 posted on 02/06/2006 12:17:33 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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