Posted on 02/05/2006 12:55:28 PM PST by naturalman1975
Somebody had to say it...
For any people who threatens another people's majority culture and religion, the Inquisition method is appropriate and all the undesirable elements within that culture should be sent to their respective countries to be amongst their own or abide by the majority rule. That is why there are different countries for different cultures.
This idea is very simple and should be disseminated far and wide. Muslims have served notice to the world that they are not welcome in Christian societies. Ergo, they should either abide by the host country or summarily be deported to their countries of origin.
I say we take that piece of meteorite they pray to and send it to the moon.
Lets see them do their pilgramage then.
You sound anti-Christian.
The Crusades were good in that it got rid of the muslims of Europe.
In hoc sign vince.
Excellent points.
So the best approach to ridding the land of Muslims is also to rid the land of Jews?
Your sentiments, not mine. Go back to stormfront.
Then again, historical facts may not hold up to your preconceived prejudices so you will just discard them.
About your preconceived notions...
"But, oh, what a glorious day when the Inquisition turned its attention to its principal target, the bloody muj of the Iberian peninsula. And I still think it's the best way to deal with the bloody, Satanic, moonbat filth."
Why don't you post historical facts to support those "appalling Islamic atrocities" that went on during the Moorish occupation?
Could it be because you can't?
The occupation went on for 700 years, coming up with facts shouldn't be difficult for you.
Here's a recognized historical fact...Jews fled to Moorish occupied Spain to escape centuries of persecution from Christians in Europe.
Over the centuries, Jews and Christians filled high offices in the government of Moorish Spain...Jews could not do the same in Christian Europe.
In Al-Andalus, Jews and Christians were not forced to convert, but were free to practice their respective religions (they paid the taxes laid down in the Qu'ran).
From the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Timeline of Art History site, Iberian Peninsula:
• ca. 900–1100 The tolerance for non-Muslims under the Umayyad caliphs and later rulers creates ideal conditions for harmonious coexistence among Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The tenth and eleventh centuries are especially significant for Iberian Jewish history and are often regarded as a golden age of literature, philosophy, and science.• 912–961 Under the rule of cAbd al-Rahman III, the first Spanish Umayyad emir to declare himself caliph (929), Córdoba becomes perhaps the greatest intellectual center of Europe, with celebrated libraries and schools. cAbd al-Rahman III's palace city at Madinat al-Zahra’ sets the standard for artistic taste in the caliphate and Hispano-Umayyad art reaches its apogee.
Here is some more from a well-known Spanish historian:
"Once upon a time long ago in a place on the edge of the known world, Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together in peace and created a vibrant, extraordinary civilization.A fairy tale for our troubled times? Much more intriguing, this is a true story brimming with striking characters as well as prodigious achievements and blunders, with thought-provoking lessons for today.
Bringing to life a time and place largely overlooked in Western histories, "The Ornament of the World" describes an era in medieval Spain from 750 to 1492 when the three monotheistic faiths clashed, intermingled, and produced a rich, tolerant culture.
Arabic was the lingua franca, and Jews and Christians held prominent positions in Muslim government and society. So great was the flourishing of the arts, philosophy, and science that Andalusia was seen by Christians in northern Europe as the intellectual center of the continent.
Through its magnificent libraries and culture of translation, Andalusia dramatically reshaped European history, helping bring an end to the Dark Ages.
But this thriving world was brought to a tragic close by the forces of cultural puritanism and religious orthodoxy, spurred largely from the outside by Muslims from North Africa and Christians from northern Europe.
So you see, you don't know what you're talking about.
One more thng...about you as an individual.
Here are some of your own words put into proper perspective:
"Listen, you guys like to call people names when you're losing an argument..."
"Lol, gawd you guys must've graduated with honors from Nitwit U. Listen to me, DUmmies
"Unlike with you dimwits..."
"And as one of you so dimwittedly noted..."
Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
Not a flame war, a civil discussion -- if you're capable of it.
Lol, you're a known muj apologist. I've seen you fighting with other posters regarding your defense of the swine many times.
Typical religious wingnut response...knowledge is anti-Christian.
If the Crusades were such a good thing, why did the Chuch eventually rid itself of the military orders created in part to fight the Crusades?
There is the truth, and the truth is simply the truth.
It isn't pro anything or anti anything.
"If the Crusades were such a good thing, why did the Chuch eventually rid itself of the military orders created in part to fight the Crusades?"
Because once the enemy of Christianity had been gotten rid, there was no longer a need to wage war and the orders were gotten ridden of.
Anyway, if you were a true Christian you would be on our side and not say all the pejoratives about Christianity.
~In hoc signo vinces~
You've obviously never have read a thing about the military orders, the Crusades, or early Church history.
"Anyway, if you were a true Christian you would be on our side and not say all the pejoratives about Christianity"
I've done nothing of the sort.
I've pointed out historical facts.
If you like, we can discuss the history of the struggle between Christians and Muslims at length.
Where would you like to begin?
Duh! The massacre of Jews in Grenada in 1066 and the enslavement and deportation of Christians in 1126. Cordova and Merida and other cities were completely burned to the ground. All the men were executed and the women and children enslaved. In 920 AD Muez wasn't so lucky: every man, woman and child was murdered. And that just scratches the surface. Sheesh, look it up. You obviously need the exercise more than I do.
How can you walk around with one foot in your mouth all the time, Lois? In God's name, stop cowering before these subhuman scum. Stop apologizing for them.
You skipped around the massacres of Jews by Christians which started long before the Moors conquered the provinces, then you avoided the Al-Andalus renaissance, forgot to mention that the first few thousand victims of Urban II's First (people's) Crusade were Jews, killed by the crusaders, and paint lightly the forced conversions by the Spanish crown of Jews and Muslims.
If you want massacres of men, women, and children to be discussed, let's discuss the massacres of Jews conducted by the People's Crusade in Trier, Cologne, Speyer, Worms, Rouen, and Prague on the way to the Holy land; Chronicler Radulph of Caen talks about the conditions created by the necessity of importing food from Armenia, and the lack of funds to buy enough food for the troops, specifically of the difficulties encountered by impoverished Flemmings who had followed Peter the Hermit in Urban's "people's crusade", during the siege of Antioch:
"Our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking pots; they impaled children on cooking spits and devoured them grilled."
In Mainz, at the onset of the First Crusade, the Christian chronicler Albert of Aix described how would-be Crusaders acted toward the Jewish population:
...seized and killed seven hundred who vainly sought to defend themselves against forces far superior to their own; the women were also massacred, and the young children, whatever their sex, were put to the sword." -- Source
It was a brutal time, and Christianity was brutal at the time; far more brutal than the Moors in Spain. Forced conversions were the tool of the Spanish Inquisition, not of the Moors.
The First Crusade ignited a long tradition of organized violence against Jews in European culture. While anti-Semitism had existed in Europe for centuries, the First Crusade marks the first mass organized violence against Jewish communities. Setting off in the early summer of 1096, a German army of around 10,000 soldiers led by Gottschalk, Volkmar, and Emicho, proceeded northward through the Rhine valley, in the opposite direction to Jerusalem, began a series of pogroms which some historians call "the first Holocaust" (1991, Jonathan Riley-Smith, pg. 50).The preaching of the crusade inspired further anti-Semitism. According to some preachers, Jews and Muslims were enemies of Christ, and enemies were to be fought or converted to Christianity. The general public apparently assumed that "fought" meant "fought to the death", or "killed". The Christian conquest of Jerusalem and the establishment of a Christian emperor there would supposedly instigate the End Times, during which the Jews were supposed to convert to Christianity. In parts of France and Germany, Jews were perceived as just as much of an enemy as Muslims: they were thought to be responsible for the crucifixion, and they were more immediately visible than the far-away Muslims. Many people wondered why they should travel thousands of miles to fight non-believers when there were already non-believers closer to home.
The crusaders moved north through the Rhine valley into well-known Jewish communities such as Cologne, and then southward. Jewish communities were given the option of converting to Christianity or be slaughtered. Most would not convert and as news of the mass killings spread many Jewish communities committed mass suicides in horrific scenes. Thousands of Jews were massacred, despite some attempts by local clergy and secular authorities to shelter them. The massacres were justified by the claim that Urban's speech at Clermont promised reward from God for killing non-Christians of any sort, not just Muslims. Although the papacy abhorred and preached against the purging of Muslim and Jewish inhabitants during this and future crusades, there were numerous attacks on Jews following every crusade movement.
One of the most widely chronicled accomplishment of the First Crusade, was the slaughter of roughly 30% of the Jewish population of Europe.
By the way...not that Jews have historically clean hands in the massacre business.
According to the Old Testament, millions of men, women, and chidren were exterminated in the conquest of the Promised Land by the Israelites.
So true, Australia took away folks guns didn't they? That's one thing you can say about Arkansas, we have conceal and carry. What's the saying, peace through superior firepower?
Yeah. That works for me.
The Inquisition
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I couldn't help myself!
Knock off the personal attacks and name-calling.
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