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More Allegations of Libby Lies Revealed
Washington Post ^ | February 4, 2006 | Carol D. Leonnig

Posted on 02/03/2006 11:39:53 PM PST by Daralundy

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To: Cboldt
Bottom line is there is no prosecution if Libby told the truth.

Whether Libby told the truth is a matter of fact for a jury to decide. A person is innocent until proved guilty. This is a tough one for Fitz to prove, especially as to the required intent to deceive or obstruct.

Do you condone lying to investigators?

Don't be silly, what does what I condone have to do with anything?

81 posted on 02/04/2006 10:29:10 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Mike Darancette
Do you condone lying to investigators?

Don't be silly, what does what I condone have to do with anything?

It's a discussion point. To take your point literally, "what does [it] have to do with anything?", would reduce ALL outside discussion of political and legal events to crap.

You are avoiding answering the question.

82 posted on 02/04/2006 10:35:56 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
You are avoiding answering the question

Answer: Not as a rule.

83 posted on 02/04/2006 10:49:45 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Mike Darancette
You are avoiding answering the question

Answer: Not as a rule.

Granted, lying to investigators is not "per se" okay. You are still avoiding the question of whether (if he did) Libby can be excused, under the circumstances.

84 posted on 02/04/2006 10:54:32 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Well, if it's purjury, then it's no big deal! Just ask Bubba!

Except FR was calling for Bubba's hide for false testimony ....

I really didn't think that a /sarcasm tag was needed for my reply, but maybe I was wrong...

Mark

85 posted on 02/04/2006 11:06:24 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Cboldt
You are still avoiding the question of whether (if he did) Libby can be excused, under the circumstances.

Excused by who? By me? I guess Bush could pardon Libby. I guess I could excuse Libby if I felt he was unfairly convicted.

If Libby knowingly lied and obstructed and is convicted then he deserves what he gets.

86 posted on 02/04/2006 11:08:16 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: MarkL; bcsco; smoothsailing

"It's to make sure that the press has plenty of time to try to link republicans to the "scandal" in the lead up to the 2006 congressional elections, as well as giving plenty of lead time for the 2008 presidential elections."


They do tend to do that, and end up shooting themselves in the foot. ;o)

bcsco had the report that it was the defense attorney who wanted the delay.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571572/posts?page=42#42


And, smoothsailing had wonderful thoughts about this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571572/posts?page=23#23


After thinking about it, I agree with both of them.
Scooter, and the Rs, want this fight.
They are going to make Fitzgerald rue the day when he decided that
it was NOT a top priority to investigate if a crime was committed.


87 posted on 02/04/2006 11:15:16 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: MarkL

LOL!

If I caught the sarcasm,
most folks should. ;o)


88 posted on 02/04/2006 11:17:27 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000; MarkL
Thanks for the nice words,dc.

But really,the antique media and the dems are just so easy to figure out,aren't they?

HA!

They telegraph their punches for all to see. :-)

89 posted on 02/04/2006 11:38:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Ain't it GREAT!

;o)


90 posted on 02/04/2006 11:41:42 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Mike Darancette
I guess I could excuse Libby if I felt he was unfairly convicted.
If Libby knowingly lied and obstructed and is convicted then he deserves what he gets.

Equivocation. You may know where you stand on the case, as currently presentented. But I think you don't (know where you stand).

You are still avoiding the question of whether (if he did what the indictment alledges) you would excuse Libby, under the circumstances.

91 posted on 02/05/2006 12:03:30 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: dixiechick2000
"bcsco had the report that it was the defense attorney who wanted the delay."

Actually what I wrote was that the judge was going to set the date for sometime in September but the defense attorney had a scheduling conflict. The judge then set the date for January, '07.

It could be that the defense attorney used the idea of a 'conflict' to have the trial postponed further so that it didn't occur during the election cycle. But nothing in what I read or saw on TV alluded to that as a tactic. Everything pointed to a simple scheduling conflict.

I would agree with the person who said the defense is on a 'roll' right now. However, there's a lot of discovery yet to come out and that's going to take awhile the way Fitzgerald is acting. I think, perhaps, the January date is a good one for the defense.

92 posted on 02/05/2006 5:23:46 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: Cboldt
under the circumstances

I don't know the circumstances other than what the indictment and the prosecutor say are the circumstances. I do not condone the actions described in the indictment.

93 posted on 02/05/2006 7:27:47 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Cboldt
Let me clarify my point. When a "necessary witness" refuses to testify, not on Fourth Amendment grounds but simple refusal, the court can as its strongest sanction, dismiss the case against the defendant. That does NOT mean that the trial is suspended while the witness is sent to jail for contempt.

In the past, some national security trials have been dismissed for this cause, when the witness refused to testify on "national security" grounds.

The court may also sanction the witness with jailing for contempt. But that is independent of whether the court dismisses the criminal charges.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "NY Times Touts Dubious Conclusions on School Quality"

94 posted on 02/05/2006 9:51:21 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Hillary! delendum est.)
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To: bcsco

"Actually what I wrote was that the judge was going to set the date for sometime in September but the defense attorney had a scheduling conflict. The judge then set the date for January, '07."


You are correct.
My apologies...


95 posted on 02/05/2006 8:30:33 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: smoothsailing
No way.Scooter's lawyer wants the delay.Scooter is walking tall and looking good.The more discovery pre-trial,the more Fitz and the whole scheme is exposed.The big mo is with Scooter.His defense fund is being bumped by heavy hitters,guys like Jack Kemp and others.Last I heard there's 2 mil in the bank.Our side wants this fight.

Thanks for that. I looked into the matter early on and decided it was nonsense, but I haven't been paying attention lately.
96 posted on 02/06/2006 10:00:14 PM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: Daralundy

Muddying the waters here. If true and significant, why weren't these counts in the indictment?


97 posted on 02/06/2006 10:45:41 PM PST by the Real fifi
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