[speekinout]

I said that if government turns up the heat enough, it will start to push more people into the legal channels, and that will have a positive-feedback effect.

I think we agree on that. But I think the gov't has to turn up the heat on the employers, and you think it's enough to turn it up on the illegals. Is that close?

[inquest]

Yes, that's close, but I also said that I wasn't strongly rejecting your advocacy of turning up the heat on employers. I think it could still be done in the context of a guest-worker program unavailable to illegals. The way it could work would be to enact the program, and at the same time (or sooner) conduct a strong show of force along the border, and then about six months later (to give employers time to start replacing their workers with legal ones), start putting the squeeze on the employers. First target the ones who are dragging their feet the most, so that they all have an incentive to pick up the pace.