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To: TheCrusader; december12
'Uncertainties'?? How about fabrications like 'Piltdown Man', do you teach that little bit of Darwinism treachery in class?

For pete's sake, that was debunked over half a century ago. And it hasn't been taught since then either. Why don't you guys stop living in the past?

Or do you mean the 'uncertainties' such as the fact that Darwin himself wrote that unless and until the missing linking fossils and transitional forms are uncovered his theory is dead in the water?

Wow, you haven't actually bothered to *read* Darwin, have you? He said no such thing, but he did say something quite reasonable that someone with brain-damage might have been able to mistake for something that incredibly stupid.

Meanwhile, how about countless CURRENT creationist fabrications?

Summary of the ability of the two creationists (Hovind and Havoc) to present information they *know* is false, and to *fail* to retract when reminded of their falsehoods, is presented here, along with links to all appropriate documentation.

(Quick aside -- TheCrusader, do you condone this behavior of your fellow creationists? Yes or no? Is lying for the "cause" of creationism acceptable to you?)

This sort of behavior, unfortunately, is *typical* of creationists. Here, want dozens of more examples of their distortions? A few more for the road? Another? Still more, perhaps? How about even more? Ooh, here are some good examples. And there's lots more where that came from, like this and this and this and lots more here and *tons* here and countless more here and yet more here, a goodie... Wait, there's more over here, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., *ETC.*, etc., etc., etc., . How about 300 more creationist misrepresentations? Not enough, you say? Well then visit Creationist Lies and Blunders. Hey, what about Freeper metacognative's (he's a creationist) ability to accuse Daniel Dennett (evolutionary scientist) of wanting to put Christians into concentration camps for their beliefs, when Dennett was *actually* clearly writing about how RADICAL ISLAM may need to be contained? The ugly details here.

TheCrusader, do you condone all *those* creationist misrepresentations of the evidence, and their misquotations of what scientists have actually said?

Tell me how many more examples you'd like me to post of creationist distortion of the evidence, and I'll be MORE than glad to post them.

Here are a countless more: List of creationist claims

So keep telling lies about science, TheCrusader -- it'll make it *very* clear to the lurkers which side is *actually* the one that engages in falsehoods, frauds, and misrepresentations.

I hope you teach this, it's all part of the story of 'evolution'.

No, it's the creationists' idiocies and fixations, because they can't deal with evolutionary biology on the actual evidence and research, so they fling weird accusations as a lame substitute.

If you give it a fair chance in your scientific mind which is supposed to be open to all possibilities, you just might agree that the greatest scientific event in all eternity was God's CREATION of the universe from nothing. Certainly a worthy scientific discussion for the classroom, eh?

Sure, I'm all for teaching this: Evidence for the Big Bang.

37 posted on 01/31/2006 12:05:12 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
He said no such thing, but he did say something quite reasonable that someone with brain-damage might have been able to mistake for something that incredibly stupid.

Here comes the name-calling. (As opposed to making rational arguments)

68 posted on 01/31/2006 3:26:58 AM PST by ThomasNast (2350)
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To: Ichneumon

Bttt for later read of the links. :-)

(In the lab at the moment)


108 posted on 01/31/2006 8:29:24 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Ichneumon
For pete's sake, that was debunked over half a century ago. And it hasn't been taught since then either.

True enough. How long will it take for the fabricated Peppered Moth experiments to get expunged?

189 posted on 01/31/2006 10:03:12 AM PST by frgoff
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