We might as well accept that those who are now here are going to stay. So let's get started integrating them into our society (schooling for the kids and all).
That's just the fact, not an expression of approval.
Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 1,000,000 illegal Chinese (total), and who is going to buy a million airline tickets for them to go back to China?
Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 5-10 million hispanics? And how many buses is it going to take to send them home, and who pays for 10 million bus tickets? Even if they were already lined up at the terminals, it would be next to impossible.
So politicians will get a lot of mileage out of being "indignant" about illegal immigration; but the place to stop illegals is AT THE BORDER. Once they're past that,
you can just throw up your hands and help them adjust--
"Welcome to our new citizens" (who, btw, for the most part,
will make very good ones)
Its not that you would have to physically round-up and deport all illegals. That's a canard (though we actually could do more of that, as Eisenhower did). Stricter interior enforcement would result in some level of self-deportation. And any concern about cost should be considered along side the fiscal and economic costs of illegal immigration to the nation.
That is why border security can't stand alone. One thing illegal immigration sympathizers do get right is that some would successfully enter illegally even with proper border security, so to basically say, as you do, that citizenship is the reward for all those who do is crazy.
And politically, it would be a boon for the Democrats and burden for the GOP, as most who went on to become citizens and vote would do so for the former.
"We might as well accept that those who are now here are going to stay. So let's get started integrating them into our society"
You later state that this is just a fact.
Well you can accept anything you like, condor. But I happen to believe in the law. If anyone without proof of identity or citizenship, breaks a law in the US, including immigration law, they should be HELD and if convicted do the maximum prison time and then be deported across a gorgeous wall.
Not liking the paying for their care part very much either.
You can volunteer to pay more if you like. I am happy for you that you can afford it.
You want to take care of them? Buy a business in Mexico or Syria and hire them there.
You are entitled to your opinion.
That's nice...except that they DON'T WANT TO INTEGRATE!
Check into "Bi-Lingual" edjumikashun, and see what a scam it is, and who is profiting and who is losing!
Oh, and call all the Immigrants who came here legally "SUCKERS!" Because why did they have to pay BIG $$$ and jump thru hoops when all they had to do was wait till folks like you surrendered American Sovereignty to them!
Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 1,000,000 illegal Chinese (total), and who is going to buy a million airline tickets for them to go back to China?
Well, if we stopped SUBSIDIZING them and heavily fined the Businesses that hired/exploited them, they would voluntarily leave....see STARVATION and HOMELESSNESS are strong incentives.
Oh, and ever heard of a "Slow Boat to China"? Hell, they sneak onboard Cargo carriers to get here, they can take them back home!
Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 5-10 million hispanics? And how many buses is it going to take to send them home, and who pays for 10 million bus tickets? Even if they were already lined up at the terminals, it would be next to impossible.
Wow...disgronifier time...
Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 5-10 million hispanics Murderers/Rapists/Robbers?
So, I guess we should just buy them all HOUSES then!
You OBL types crack me up! Who CARES what it costs, it's called AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY, and it's worth ANY price!
Build the DAMN wall, and send each and every ILLEGAL INFILTRATOR we find home forcibly! Stop making it more economical and desirable to be here ILLEGALLY, and they will leave...as long as we "encourage" them with raids and ejections!
So politicians will get a lot of mileage out of being "indignant" about illegal immigration; but the place to stop illegals is AT THE BORDER. Once they're past that, you can just throw up your hands and help them adjust-- "Welcome to our new citizens" (who, btw, for the most part, will make very good ones)
Gee...does Mexico do that? Name another Country that does as you suggest (And FRANCE doesn't count, as they have lost their Country to the Islamazis!)
Tell you what...YOU give up, and leave America. We who LOVE this Country and will do WHATEVER it takes to defend it will just have to "carry on without you".
Hey, maybe YOU could be the new "Reverse Illegal Immigrant" in to Mexico! Maybe YOU could sponge off Vincente Fox....just don't expect to be welcomed back thru the Wall!
I disagree, see no reason to just 'accept the fact'.
But you are right, fences and buses aren't going to keep them from coming - where there's a will, there's a way. Until we crack down hard on the a-holes here that are providing them with employment - remove the honey that is drawing the flies, so to speak - they will find a way to keep coming. Can't blame them.
There's no need for bus tickets - take away their reason for being here, they'll find their own way home.
We might as well accept the fact that people break the laws.
There's no use in trying to enforce them.
Who says they have to be located and rounded up?
That's the problem with Bush's (and all Republipuke/Democrap) solutions. They are proposed specifically because they won't work.
You don't go after the illegals. You go after the employers who hire the illegals.
Coddling criminals is what liberal Democraps do. Are you a liberal Democrap?
If Bush were to actually follow the law as written (what a concept!), then companies who hire illegals would be on the hook for $10,000 fine per person per instance. (Multiply that times 10-20 million)
Start levying those types of fines, and the companies would not be able to divest their rolls quickly enough. And with no jobs available, the illegals would flood back across the border.
"Welcome to our new citizens" (who, btw, for the most part, will make very good ones)
Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but if they're here illegally, then they've already proven they won't make good citizens because they do not respect our laws.
And then there's the Social Security Totalization Agreement Bush signed with Mexico that opens up our Social Security system to illegal aliens.
Under the terms of the agreement, the Mexican illegal alien can:
Apply for and receive benefits after having worked (illegally) for a minimum of 6 quarters (18 months). US citizens (read: you and me) have to work for a minimum of 40 quarters (10 years) before we're eligible to apply.
Apply for and receive benefits for his Mexican National wife and Mexican National children even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.
And the Mexican illegal alien can have these benefit checks mailed to him, at home, in Mexico.
So, you just go on thinking what the Republipuke and Democrap politicians want you to think and parroting what they want you to say, but don't think that everyone is buying what you and your puppetmasters are selling.
If we would just make it a lot less comfortable to remain here illegally they would remove themselves.
The Chinese are an interesting point, they can sneak in from Mex. or Can., but they aren't swimming here from China!
They require organized crime to get here directly from China, and their presence proves yet another weakness in our national defense.