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Plant Closings, Job Cuts Loom at Ford
ap ^ | 1/22/06 | Dee-Ann Durbin

Posted on 01/22/2006 7:19:36 PM PST by Flavius

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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Will not part with my SUV. Get a new Mountaineer or Explorer every year. Will do without something else to put the gas in it, or work longer to pay for it.


61 posted on 01/22/2006 8:57:37 PM PST by KYGrandma (Ky girl who wants to go home)
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To: apackof2
Return the favor, I work for GM

Real close to retirement although (thank goodness)

So, you're close to hitting the 45 year old mark or are you not union? :)

62 posted on 01/22/2006 8:58:38 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: KYGrandma

Article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer today said Ford is planning to offer a number of buyouts. Hope you get an offer!


63 posted on 01/22/2006 8:58:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: All
I regret that Ford will close their plant here in south suburban Atlanta. Except for the idiot who worked himself out of a Mustang sale to me in August by taking half a day to address my purchase questions, I don't have anything to say against Ford.

GM is another matter. My mother took her Grand Am to two different dealerships six separate times and they couldn't fix her car, althought they didn't fail to charge her anyway. I took her car to a hole in the wall muffler shop in Covington, and the guy fixes it and doesn't know why the dealership couldn't diagnose and correct an "obvious" problem.

LOL, I have a GM card with $2000 on it, and after I had a similar experience with their dealerships not being able to fix my car yet charging me a fortune for trying, I bought an import. A note to U.S. car makers: you jerks had better take away the dealership service departments and start repairing your vehicles yourselves. The dealerships are universally unworthy to trust with this work. Word, baby--WORD!!!

64 posted on 01/22/2006 9:00:53 PM PST by Malcolm (There's no substitute for good manners)
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To: Flavius

The union and the employees priced themselves out of a job. This is just the beginning, GM is next.


65 posted on 01/22/2006 9:01:26 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: hinckley buzzard

You know that would be great. I'd love to go home to Ky. The weather here is killing me.


66 posted on 01/22/2006 9:01:46 PM PST by KYGrandma (Ky girl who wants to go home)
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To: hinckley buzzard; VOA

I've seen several Five Hundreds and I like them. I haven't driven one though. It's basically the evolved Taurus. If it tanks, I can't see why.


67 posted on 01/22/2006 9:02:18 PM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. -Sun Tzu)
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To: KYGrandma

Yep, I've driven an SUV for the past 15 years. No big deal with the gas prices - I have a job. I want and use the capability of the vehicle. Let the liberals hate them. For some reason they don't hate pickup and vans which get the same mileage, often times worse...


68 posted on 01/22/2006 9:03:35 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The Five-Hundred is OK-looking...looks like a servicable VW Jetta.

I told my folks that I heard the Five Hundred had gotten good marks
on safety ratings.
They said they'd heard the car is under-powered, thus "it's so slow
it can't get into trouble!".


69 posted on 01/22/2006 9:04:10 PM PST by VOA
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To: apackof2

We had a '73 Land Cruiser that went anywhere off road we wanted to go, that was one fun vehicle.


70 posted on 01/22/2006 9:04:43 PM PST by Mjaye
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To: gitmogrunt
If Ford would put the tail lights of the Ford Focus lower, instead of on the roof(almost), I'd buy one.

I like our Ford Escape as an all-purpose mini-SUV except the steering wheel column arrangement is the lamest.  Headlights, windshield wipers, windshield wiper wash front and rear with adjustable delay mixed in with turning signals..  What a bunch of nonsense.  

You can easily turn the headlights off while driving when trying to use the wipers or washer fluid if it's not your main vehicle.

It's functionally illiterate as the Aztek is physically ugly.

Only too many managers would explain this, can't blame this one on the unions.

71 posted on 01/22/2006 9:05:09 PM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Sender
My 1998 Ford Ranger keeps, Going and Going and Going.

My everyday car is a 2001 VW Beetle.

72 posted on 01/22/2006 9:05:23 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Sender
Hi Sender-

General Motors manufactures some incredibly boring small pickup trucks like the Chevrolet Colorado. The updated Dodge Dakota isn't much to write home about, either.

The company could help their financial bottomline by introducing an updated pickup that is basically just a smaller version of one of their top-selling F150 models. That is why I believe they need to offer some of the upscale features that "transition" buyers desire. This "transition" buyer is probably a young person who has lived in apartments his/her whole life and has just purchased a home within the past few years. Home ownership creates a whole new need for truck utility without the need to haul enormous loads.

That is where I see success with a small (but comfortable and stylish) pickup truck that could really compete with the Japanese models.

~ Blue Jays ~

73 posted on 01/22/2006 9:05:36 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Flavius
I hate to see people losing their jobs. Many people have worked hard and don't deserve this kind of misfortune. It's particularly disturbing that the people who come up with the plans to close factories and cut jobs will probably get a bonus for all of their paper-shuffling.

That said, if our country had tort reform so that paying corporate lawyers were a smaller part of the cost of a car and if the UAW were out of the equation so that paying union bosses weren't a part of the cost of a car, all of the American automakers would be in a better position. Furthermore, tort reform that reduced medical malpractice costs would reduce the cost of health care and reduce another factor that causes higher car prices and yet lower profitability for the car companies.

While I understand the steps that led to medical insurance paying part of every doctor's bill, we also need to return to a system where individuals generally paid their own doctors' bills except for major medical claims. If people paid their own doctors' bills, they'd "shop" more for treatment and probably take care better care of themselves in order to avoid needing treatment. Of course, companies also have to get past the idea of sending people to doctors for every little thing. My company has a policy that if I have a flu that causes me to miss four days of work, I have to go to the doctor before returning to work. I know what a flu is and when I have one. I don't need to go to the doctor for every sickness of that kind. The policy only increases the demand for medicine, and the increasing demand drives increasing costs.

Bill

74 posted on 01/22/2006 9:09:15 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
You don't know what you're talking about. Both of my parents worked for the GA DOT, and it's universally known by the road engineers that the more a vehicle weights, THE MORE IT DESTROYS THE PAVEMENT. Please get a clue...

You selfish SUV drivers don't care about the extra fuel that all of you use that drives up gas prices for all the rest of us "normal" car drivers. Just admit that you want to drive around in a vehicle half the size of a tractor-trailer. At least be honest about it...

75 posted on 01/22/2006 9:09:44 PM PST by Malcolm (There's no substitute for good manners)
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To: KYGrandma
Well, being that my father was employed in the auto industry (executive level) for over 30 years, I can safely say that Ford hasn't been an "American" company for some time. Being that many components are sourced overseas, as are many models, I must say waving the flag in defense of Fix Or Return to Dealer just doesn't cut it anymore.

Ford and GM blew it by focusing on market share at the expense of quality improvement (many engineers at said companies agree with me on this). Toyota, which is TOTALLY focused on continuous improvement of quality, gained market share nonetheless. Honda (who's cars I never cared for) also put more emphasis on quality and investment in engineering improvements than the Big 2 did.

76 posted on 01/22/2006 9:11:09 PM PST by Clemenza ("Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other “sins” are invented nonsense." -- Robert)
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To: KYGrandma
Its raining (36 deg...very cold rain :) in Lexington, Ky...no ICE, Yet.
77 posted on 01/22/2006 9:13:07 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Malcolm

No, I like a vehicle that will carry the whole family, and all the stuff I need to carry when I travel. My vehicle is my office, and I need the space. So what, that it uses a little more gas, and that I am larger than your pedal driven foreign car.


78 posted on 01/22/2006 9:13:07 PM PST by KYGrandma (Ky girl who wants to go home)
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To: Blue Jays
It would be absolutely horrible for our country for this venerable firm to go out of business.

Selling The Detroit Lions to winners like Bill Davidson (Detroit Pistons) or Illitch group (Detroit Red Wings) would be a good place to start in marketing.

How cool would it be to have the Super Bowl at home in a couple of weeks?

79 posted on 01/22/2006 9:13:51 PM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Clemenza

Don't know where you have gotten your information. My husband's job is to travel to the plants to make sure their quality numbers are good, and if not to find out why they aren't, then correct the problems. Quality has been a major concern for many years.


80 posted on 01/22/2006 9:15:48 PM PST by KYGrandma (Ky girl who wants to go home)
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