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AG is pressed on polygamy
The Salt Lake Tribune ^
| January 20, 2006
| Kirsten Stewart
Posted on 01/20/2006 6:05:49 AM PST by Utah Binger
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This is one of the very sad by-products of polygamy. The boys are virtually kicked out as they pose competition with the elders for the young girls. Seems to me this is not just an issue to be dealt with by the state, but the LDS church should help with the welfare of these youth. Even though they claim to not support polygamy, they are the ones that introduced the practice into the culture of Utah in 1847.
To: Utah Binger
Blacks were brought into America by slaveowners with the government permission. Fopllowing your logic with regards to the Mormon church, maybe the government should take care of all blacks.
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01/20/2006 6:12:31 AM PST
by
urroner
To: Utah Binger
Shurtleff said most wind up homeless, though they have the skills and desire to work and survive on their own.It's peripheral to the polygamy issue, but the inability of young men to work legally is a problem in lots of other contexts, too.
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:13:09 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
(“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
To: Utah Binger
Can't the parents be thrown in jail for child endangerment/abuse/abandonment/whatever? That might help cut back on the amount of polygamy going on.
To: urroner
Blacks were brought into America by slaveowners with the government permission. Fopllowing your logic with regards to the Mormon church, maybe the government should take care of all blacks. Hmmmmmmmm. That's what Jesse thinks.
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:25:33 AM PST
by
Utah Binger
(Some of my best friends are lapsed Mormons)
To: urroner; Utah Binger
Blacks were brought into America by slaveowners with the government permission. Fopllowing your logic with regards to the Mormon church, maybe the government should take care of all blacks.Not the same.
The United States government did not introduce slavery into North America nor into the United States. The most that can be claimed is the U.S. government permitted slave importation until 1808. See U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9.
Are these polygamous communities Mormon? Do the LDS have some continuing historical connection with them?
Don't know whether or not Utah Binger's suggestion has merit or not, but I think it certainly has some logical merit.
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:32:56 AM PST
by
Racehorse
(Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
To: green iguana
They would have to build new jails.
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:33:42 AM PST
by
Full Court
(Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
To: Racehorse
Are these polygamous communities Mormon? When polygamy was outlawed in 1890, hundreds of true believers simply went underground or fled to Mexico. The Colorado City group is an off-shoot of the church using all the same dogma instituted by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young regarding polygamy, however are not directly affiliated or recognized by the LDS church.
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:44:22 AM PST
by
Utah Binger
(Some of my best friends are lapsed Mormons)
To: Utah Binger
...but not before lawmakers pressed the state's top prosecutor for a progress report on enforcement of crimes within polygamous communities. Not sure I'm reading this right - it sounds as though the lawmakers are accusing the AG of not enforcing existing laws against polygamy itself?
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posted on
01/20/2006 6:50:51 AM PST
by
Alex Murphy
(Psalm 73)
To: Utah Binger
but I thought no one cared what people did in their own bedroom?
oh that's right, we only care when it's a man that marries more than one woman.
man sleeping with 100 women... ok.
man sleeping with another man... ok.
man sleeping with 100 men... ok.
man marrying 2 women ... go to jail, don't pass go.
To: urroner
Blacks were brought into America by slaveowners with the government permission. Fopllowing your logic with regards to the Mormon church, maybe the government should take care of all blacks.Actually, the "government" that permitted slaves to be imported into the American colonies was the British government. The subject of banning the importation of slaves was a controversial issue during the adoption of the US Constitution and the result was a compromise of banning it after 20 years (in the year 1807 I believe) rather than immediately. Establishing and fostering this system of slavery was a bitter complaint of the founders against England which was expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
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posted on
01/20/2006 7:34:42 AM PST
by
politeia
To: conservative physics
What? So you think it is okay to subject children to the situation in this article? You're messed up.
To: conservative physics
You're trying much too hard. This thread is about young men being kicked out of the home of their polygamous parents.
Nobody cares WTF you do in your bedroom, especially me.
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posted on
01/20/2006 8:01:13 AM PST
by
Utah Binger
(Some of my best friends are lapsed Mormons)
To: Racehorse
Are these polygamous communities Mormon? No. Anyone practicing, endorsing or preaching that one should practice or endorse polygamy is excommunicated from the church. The practice is no longer sanctioned by God at this time (see Jacob 2:30 for the scriptural basis for sanctioning or prohibiting polygamy within the church).
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posted on
01/20/2006 8:08:23 AM PST
by
frgoff
To: conservative physics
man marrying 2 women ... go to jail, don't pass go. Thats the next societal norm they will try to break down, and its already starting.
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posted on
01/20/2006 8:19:37 AM PST
by
Don Carlos
(Christian, VRWC Member, Gun Nut, Right-wing Wacko. I feel sooo blessed!)
To: Don Carlos
Here's the problem. What is going to happen to the LDS Church if the Supreme Court rules that laws prohibiting Polygamy are unconstitutional. Will the LDS Church reinstate it?
To: Republican Wildcat
No, i'm just pointing out the hypocracy that it's legal to commit adultury, but not to have two wives, that a guy on welfare can sleep with every girl in the projects and get 100 of them pregnant and that's 100% legal, but if one rich man finds 2 women willing to marry him... that's against the law.
To: urroner
The question is minor youths needing the support of their parents. What the parents did is a side-show. The main event is child support.
However, The LDS in all their modern offical majesty, are being more than a bit disingenuous. Those polygamous folks are living all over the state and are following an earlier official LDS doctrine. Some part of the abandoned boy problem is theirs.
It's embarassing, but I'm sure it's being addressed unofficially. Just not effectively.
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posted on
01/20/2006 10:39:52 AM PST
by
Kenny Bunk
(End vote fraud. End the Democrat Party.)
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