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Attention Libertarians, FWIW, I am with you on this one.
1 posted on 01/15/2006 10:36:30 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Bloomberg better add this to the list along with 'illegal guns' as items to stop from coming into New York!


2 posted on 01/15/2006 10:39:51 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: presidio9

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.


3 posted on 01/15/2006 10:40:35 AM PST by SouthTexas (2006 will be a very good year.)
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Approximately 31 percent of the fines — usually $50 with a $25 late fee — could not be mailed

I think the fine here in CA is closer to $400 for blowing the red lights.

4 posted on 01/15/2006 10:42:36 AM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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BTTT


5 posted on 01/15/2006 10:42:49 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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The worst greed is governmental greed. Screw 'em.


6 posted on 01/15/2006 10:43:40 AM PST by keithtoo (Global Warming causes everything, and everything causes Global Warming.)
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To: presidio9

The good ol American way! Where there is a will, there is a way.


7 posted on 01/15/2006 10:45:11 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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Heaven forbid people should have to obey traffic laws.


8 posted on 01/15/2006 10:45:46 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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according to furious Bronx Assemblyman Peter Rivera,

There's nothing more guaranteed to make a politico furious than to mess with their revenue stream.

L

9 posted on 01/15/2006 10:46:08 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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I remember in DC they got caught shortening the length of yellow lights to trick people into running reds and collecting more fines.


12 posted on 01/15/2006 10:48:35 AM PST by AlexandriaDuke
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When freedoms are outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom.


19 posted on 01/15/2006 10:54:30 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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ping


21 posted on 01/15/2006 10:55:35 AM PST by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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One would assume that they trouble shoot-ed this program to see if it was worth the investment. I can't believe they wouldn't know this could happen. Outlawing it sounds like a losing battle. rme Kind of like trying to catch up with all our illegal immigrants.
24 posted on 01/15/2006 10:57:03 AM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the god-forsaken frozen tundra of the Hildebeast.)
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Do these cameras use a flash during the day or only at night?


27 posted on 01/15/2006 10:58:22 AM PST by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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bookmark


30 posted on 01/15/2006 10:59:29 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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clear spray that distorts a license plate image — and helps drivers beat tickets for running a red light — is selling like hotcakes, despite a law banning its use...

Good!

This is called Civil Disobedience. "The People", who are sovereign, are telling the politicians, who are whores, that they will not tolerate these cameras and fines. It is a matter of social compact. It is a matter of declaring who is really in charge.

"The People" across the country have accepted that traffic lights are in the best interest of society. So they have made a social compact to procure, install, maintain, and abide by them. This compact is codified in laws across the country.

"The People" across the country have not accepted traffic-light cameras. By their actions they are declaring it "wrong". They do not need to justify this. "The People" are sovereign. They dictate. Obviously the political whores aren't listening.

Thus Civil Disobedience.

As far as I am concerned, all traffic-light cameras should be ripped down and buried in a big pit in a public ceremony. And at the bottom of this pit should be the political whores who advocated this insult the the sovereignty and freedom of "the People".

Other than that, I have no strong feelings on the matter.

36 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:51 AM PST by DakotaGator
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You're against people getting tickets for running red lights?


41 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:15 AM PST by r9etb
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Why bother with spray paint? A couple of layers of mud would work fine.


44 posted on 01/15/2006 11:15:57 AM PST by FReepaholic (Admitted FReepaholic since 1998.)
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I'm still up in the air on this one. I would presume we all would agree that it is in the safety interest for all of us that people are not blowing through red lights. If a policeman is there to catch him, he gets a ticket. We should all agree that the ticket is proper.

We don't like the government spying on us. But there are times when it is acceptable to almost all of us --- intercepting communications from al Qaeda and intercepting communications from organized crime. Those are no-brainers.

If we had enough policemen, more people would get caught, and there would ultimately be fewer accidents and deaths at intersections. But I would rather have the policmen going after murderers, drug dealers, armed robbers, etc. That is in our highest priority.

If accidents and deaths are reduced at intersections because of the cameras, I'd like to see the evidence. Remember that driving is not a right --- it is a privilege. We have to understand rules of the road, take written and driving tests, and prove that we have insurance.

The cameras are not following us everywhere. They are stationery and have only one purpose --- to catch dangerous behavior that causes death in intersections.

I don't particularly like them, but I am least willing to look at the data and listen to the arguments. I think they are set for a slight delay, but I am not certain about that.

If the right of the government to do this is upheld by the courts, perhaps you get one freebie as a warning. I would certainly like someone who runs red lights constantly and blatantly to get nailed and lose his license.

This could get interesting. Consider this scenario. A person uses this product, knowing there will be no consequence for running red lights. The product is manufactured by someone and sold by someone knowing that it is against the law. The person using this product runs a red light and kills someone. The determination of liability would be interesting.

46 posted on 01/15/2006 11:16:30 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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I'm sure you'll get a lot of Libertarians advocating the right to run red lights. Or did I miss your sarcasm?


49 posted on 01/15/2006 11:17:46 AM PST by bigsigh
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Although I don't think this should be done, I must say that it is an American tradition to foil attempts such as these, that is why American ends in 'i can'.
61 posted on 01/15/2006 11:37:34 AM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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