Posted on 01/12/2006 7:57:12 AM PST by sergey1973
Troll-be-gone, your comment is stupid once again:
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/2006-11-21.cfm
It's a US site!
Something to understand about Spany, reality and he are two passing ships....in a thick fog. He seems to forget about India, China and Japan eating up huge amounts of oil, which is the real reason oil prices are climbing...he further doesn't understand the concept that Saudi wells are at peak capacity.
Only southern and south eastern Siberia and the locals were happy to get rid of the Chinese. The Tsars left them alone, the Chinese were force Sinoizing them.
"Reagan crushed the Kremlin's nuts with $10 oil and we will do it again."
The Kremlin, then, was the capitol of an evil ideology that was seeking world domination, the literal overthrow of (all) other governments (eventually) and their replacement with vassal states. Siberia remained dotted with gulags full of political prisoners. Yes, it was not as bad as it was under Stalin, but then, that's as bad as anywhere got in the 20th Century, and an improvement from a reign of utter terror to a Communist depotism - while an improvement - still left the place a horror.
That was what Reagan - and not just Reagan!, also Thatcher and Schmidt, Mitterand and Mulrooney, Queen Juliana and King Juan Carlos and the presidents of Peru and Venezuela and Chile: everyone in the rest of the world - had to fight.
The problem was the USSR, its ideology, not Russia as such.
So, you say "We will do it again."
But WHY?
What possible reason do we have to get into a cold war with Russia? What threat does Russia pose to us?
China is still a Communist country, or perhaps more truly a fascist one. It is rising, and threatening our allies in the region. China has to be watched, contained.
There is an explosion of Marxism now in Latin America: this is a real potential threat.
What is the threat from Russia? That Russians and Ukrainians and Poles...and Germans and French...everyone in Europe, really...don't get along and don't like each other and never have: what is this to US? Why should WE take sides in European squabbles that are related to trade and influence, and are not military? Russia has a point here. So does Ukraine. We can sympathize with both, to a degree, and trade with both, to a degree, but there is no reason at all for us to get involved in these European ethnic disputes, on one side or the other. And there is certainly no reason for us to pretend that Americans and RUSSIANS are somehow mortal enemies. Americans and Soviet COMMUNISTS, yes, but there is not, and should not be, any more ethnic hostility between Americans and Russians than there is between Americans and Italians or Irish or Turks or English.
Why do you want America to "crush Russia's nuts"?
What has Russia, not the USSR but Russia, done to America?
Nothing.
The Russians have their interests, of course, as do the French, Ukrainians, Poles, etc. Those ancient, petty squabbles are European problems. They are not our affair, we should not take sides in them, and we should have good relations with all countries in Europe that are not marching troops across borders and murdering people. The Russians are not attacking anybody. This is a trade dispute. It sounds to me like corrupt German politicians are heading up corrupt and cantankerous Russian government oil companies that are pissed off about corrupt Ukrainians stealing their gas.
None of the parties in the dispute are very attractive, and it has nothing to do with America. We should keep our nose out of it.
Russia and America have much more to offer each other as allies. They have immense natural resources and a perfectly terrible strategic location. They need money, and they need a strong, stable ally who is going to stand with them. And America needs those resources, likes to invest in developing vast continents where the sky is the limit, and has an interest in Siberia remaining free and Russian (yes, I did say FREE and Russian, for although Russian democracy is not beautiful, it's a damned sight better than Chinese Communism, or North Korean despotism, or any of the various Middle Asian Islamic Republics). We have an especial interest to get real Russian cooperation in managing the Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian mess.
The Russians are not committed in their souls to Iran. We need their HELP there, not their enmity for God's sake. They need OUR help in redeveloping the country, and in preparing for a long, long period of Chinese cultural and economic siege.
The Soviets are gone. I hated them. But the Russians? Why do you hate the Russians?
The Russians are not our enemies, and never have been.
We should be making friends with the Russians.
We should be binding Russia to us, and us to them.
Russia is THE most valuable ally for the United States in the whole world, the only other people, other than us, who ever thought truly globally in imperial and economic terms. They are the only PEER America has ever had.
So what's this about crushing their nuts?
Why?
What is in it for US to kick a potential friend when they are down.
We had ought to be extending them a hand, just as we did with the Marshall Plan in Western Europe after World War II.
Russia is the most valuable and most important potential ally in the world. Why hold an ethnic grudge against Russians, and descend to the level of petty little Europeans with their tiny backward chauvinistic views of things and their narrow little suburban countries?
It makes no sense.
Russia is a country of a size that Americans can wrap their minds around. It's the new Wild West.
We should be embracing the Russians, not acting like a bunch of European ethnics!
"Troll-be-gone, your comment is stupid once again:
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/2006-11-21.cfm"
try again jb6 - this article is the antiPutie one - not the anti Uke Orthodox one.
"We should be embracing the Russians, not acting like a bunch of European ethnics!"
jb6, you have really outdone yourself
"Only southern and south eastern Siberia and the locals were happy to get rid of the Chinese. The Tsars left them alone, the Chinese were force Sinoizing them."
Objective history has never driven nations.
The British are a bunch of Celts, the same race as the Irish, and with as much French blood in them as Germanic.
State the fact that the English are the Ostro-Irish and watch how far that objective reality with take you with ANYBODY?
China is rising, strong, powerful, needs resources, has people flooding into Siberia, and knows that it has a claim to at least part of it. What was the basis of the original Russian claim anyway? Force. And what would be the basis of a Chinese claim? Necessity, backed by force.
That is all the Chinese need, and with time, they will find a combination of arguments which sounds PLAUSIBLE enough to persuade themselves of their rectitude. And then it won't matter a fig that it's a fantasy.
The Aryan race lived in Northern India and never set foot in Europe. This never prevented a who generation of well-educated idiots all across Germany, America and the rest of Europe from speaking of the "Aryan Race".
Nations make up fantasies, and then believe them when they are convenient. China "knows" that Siberia was once China's. And as China grows and needs Siberia, the Chinese claim will grow too. There are only about 20 million Russians and Yakuts there to tell them no.
It is in the article - the proof that you did not read it.
"However, none of the Western commentators have seen the full text of the August 2004 contract:"
Obviously I am looking for the original reference - but none is forthcoming as it is typical kremlin fallacy.
Are you? When you find, post it please.
I agree with almost everything what you say.
It was in the interest of the USSR that the USA fail, but it is actually in the interests of RUSSIA that the USA succeed, be very secure, very prosperous, and very supportive of the status quo. ==
Absolutely. Beleive me that if Putin and Co talks sometimes that war in Iraq wasn't right way but anyways he and majority of russians choose America in any conflict with islamic world. Russia will never go against America for islamists.
Russia did never give no one her nukes like many speculate here on FR.
Yes she build energy reactor in Iran but everyone who knows nuclier physics in amount of high school knows that the nuclier fuel from reactor cann't be used as weapon without enrichment. It is special technology which Russia will never give anyone don't say iranians.
Iranians want to develop the enrichment technology themsleves. Russia see there a problem too. I presume that Russia will join to the common UN cause if there will be decision of the UN security counsil. As member of this counsil Russia probably will not vote against. SO opposite of Iraq in case of Iran Russia will be on board. I think so.
Putin was supportive to Bush many times. He told to press that Bush had information about Saddam's preparations of terrorist acts in America. Russia gave it to him. SO Bush coul dhave the reasons to go to the war.
You will see his support again.
Beleive me russians are sypathetic to America. Sometimes russians maybe in disagreement with her even resent on sometihing but in long way it comes away and in no case Russia will go againt american security interests for sake of chineses or islamists. It simply cann't be.
Think about Russia as one more France. France may be annnoying to America but she will not go against vital american interests.
Not all russians understand today the chinese problem and that Russia needs american involvement in Sibiria now. But times come I hope this understanding will come.
I saw recent TV show about few americans settled in Kamchatka peninsula region. It is Far East. They come, built houses then married local women and live there already few years. Locals accepted them with out hitch. Locals tell to TV journalists that americans has no difference from local russians. Indeed it is true. SO americans (and canadian or any europian) may easy blend into local russian population in Sibiria or Far East or everywhere in Russia.
In Moscow there are big community already. People even publish thier own newspaper and support Internet site.
http://www.exile.ru/ If you go to thier forum then you may ask people how they live in Moscow. What is good or what is wrong.
So the process is going. Empirial Russia always has big foreign communities from Europe in her limits. I hope it will be reestablished in bigger amounts today in new Russia.
I live in United States for few years and I know that Russia has very much to learn from America. I very much like America. It is wonderful country.
I know that Russia historcally copied many things for US.
If you don't know that the russian railways was copied from american. So now russian rails span bigger then europian but same as in United States. So if today there were the railways connection through Bering strat then the train from United States may go directly to Moscow since everything is compatible.
But there no that way when train should go from Moscow to Paris. There are the incompatibilities between railroad systems of Russia and Europe.
I know that Russia will never become second America but to be friendly she had to.
"Should Americans continue to fight and kill Germans,"
yes - if they act like despots again and shut off fuel supplies in the middle of record freezing temperatures despite valid contracts.
It's typical of your hate filled mind to only see one side of an argument.
Let's see there's Hungary and Czechoslovakia in '68.
The Ukraine in the 20's and 30's. You know when you starve a couple million people to death the survivors tend to get a bit touchy about it.
Then there's all those African Marxists in the 70's, Afghanistan in the 80's, the Finns, the Latvians, the Lithuanians, and the Estonians. I'll bet they'd take issue with your statement.
The difference is the US seems to care about world opinion. Russia has never had that concern.
L
Otherwise the Russians will need to learn to eat with chopsticks.
L
Oh, for a second there, I thought maybe he ripped a stinker in a UN elevator.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.