Posted on 01/11/2006 6:12:12 AM PST by mr_hammer
Socialism is government control - so you got a faster system. Big deal it is all still socialism.'
If they are in a computer somewhere, the code was likely written by a private contractor, and the system is also probably run buy a contractor, not a government employee.
Not only that, but why, pray tell, was the transaction of a terrorist approved in the first place? Hmmm?
I ask again, why would a foreign national with terrorist connections have been approved in the first place. In most instances, foreign nationals can't buy guns anyway, although permanent resident aliens can, IIRC. Isn't anyone checking to see if the folks who request an "instant" background check are terrorists, have connections to terrorists, or whatever. They should have been denied, and a nice friendly FBI agent sent to "talk" with them, with the Conversation taking place at GitMO.
Good point!
Maybe because he arrests and imprisons opponents.
I just googled for a number and it was rather old. It could have been reduced significantly since then, but even if it's half that number, the point remains the same.
since the BATFE started making it more difficult to have an FFL -- for instance, they must have a "place of business" and can not operate out of their homes.
I bought a handgun from a friend a little over a year ago who operates out of his home.
I have another friend who applied for an FFL a bit over a year ago and while he does have a "place of business", he specifically asked if it was required in his interview with the ATF and he was told that it was not.
However, it's definitely better to have a "place of business" that isn't your home if you want to avoid the ATF showing up in your home to audit you and ensure that the weapons are being properly stored.
I had also heard the rumor that FFL holders were going to be unable to sell out of their homes. It appears to have been nothing more than a rumor, or perhaps the ATF changed their mind after they received some unhappy feedback.
The article speaking of New York indicates that the PD sent letters asking that they be turned in or an explanation provided as to what happened to them. Two thirds of the registered claimed to have disposed of them in some fashion. It did not indicate there was any Knock Door Down Raids to obtain the rest.
No you claimed the inevitability of confiscation after registration and used those two cities as examples. But that was an invalid stretch since the circumstances where totally different in each case.
New Orleans was and is filled with guns and the efforts of authorities there came because cops and firemen were being fired upon. In such a circumstance confiscation required no registration nor was registration used to identify people with guns. These were seized from people seen firing them or from people carrying them on the streets. While I have never said that was a correct or appropriate response the fact remains that it did not occur because of registration.
New York also did not engage in any large scale attempts to seize previously legal registered weapons. Apparently all that was required for an owner was to claim the weapons were no longer in New York City. Two thirds of those sent letters demanding turnover made that claim and it is not clear how the rest were dealth with.
The articles simply do not support your contention that registration always leads to confiscation..
No it implies a misplaced priority. We should be determined to prevent RATS from ever holding power again because they undermine National Security and are too dangerous to be allowed close to the Nuclear football. Their love of gun grabbing is a minor irritant compared to the larger issue.
What about this ?
Link to ---BATFE web site
"Does the law regulate who can be in the business?
" Yes. The Gun Control Act (GCA), administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) of the Department of the Treasury, contains Federal licensing standards for various firearms businesses (manufacturers, importers, and dealers). An example of these standards is that the applicant must have a business premises. [18 U.S.C. 923(d), 27 CFR 178.47] "
"ATF will approve the application if the applicant:
Is 21 years or more of age; Is not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition; Has not willfully violated the GCA or its regulations; Has not willfully failed to disclose material information or willfully made false statements concerning material facts in connection with his application; Has premises for conducting business or collecting; and, "
So, you admit they could no longer possess these guns -- how is this not seizure ?.
It has been noted several times over the years (and never disputed ) that if the guns were not turned in or disposed of, policemen showed up at the door and asked for the guns.
The attempt was for the class of guns made illegal after registration all the others were not effected. Hence the sweeping claim of inevitability simply does not stand. Nor is there any proof that the attempts were successful.
There is no argument that registration clearly makes seizure easier.
I saw on TV a gun being taken from a little old lady in a house who had not fired at anyone, or threatened anyone.
Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley said, "No one will abe able to be armed, we are going to take all the weapons."
The AP quoted Police Commissioner Compass as saying, "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."
I saw all this on the news several times.
You make our point.
That is all well and could but has little to do with registration. The little old lady had pointed the gun at police.
Not really since this was a half hearted attempt at best not the full scale Jack Booted Thug effort so feared here.
It has a lot to do with your comments.
I did not see that or ever hear it reporated --- did you see it? If you did , how did you miss the police comments about no one could have guns but police.
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