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Illegal workers create ID crisis. Meatpacking towns say fake identities creates 'ghost' population
Pioneer Press ^ | Jan 7, 2006 | JIM RAGSDALE

Posted on 01/07/2006 11:54:24 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: Pikachu_Dad

I'm all for going to dyeing fingers in our polling places.

Let the ACLU argue that is discriminatory.


21 posted on 01/07/2006 6:32:04 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: DoughtyOne; thoughtomator
With regard to this, you need to thank your fellow role-over Republicans who have decided to join such great supporters of Amercia as La Raza....

Don't forget this one:

​ ​​​​We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.


22 posted on 01/07/2006 6:48:47 PM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: John Jorsett
Minnesota House Speaker Steve Sviggum wrote recently that "calling illegal immigrants 'undocumented' is like calling a burglar an uninvited houseguest." But what if the burglar only wants to clean your house?

No, what if he wanted to clean your house (for a fee of course) and THEN have you pay for his and his families medical expenses, his children's educations, insists you get him a translater and on and on. Sheesh.

susie

23 posted on 01/07/2006 6:56:25 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

""We are starting to detect a number of people who are using Social Security numbers of persons who are deceased, or whose identity has been stolen.""

Yet Freepers think none of these people could be terrorists and the President is doing a great job!


24 posted on 01/07/2006 7:03:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

ping


25 posted on 01/07/2006 7:07:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: John Jorsett

Here's a simple idea that might be very effective.

Any illegal found with a false ID gets deported, NO exceptions.
No ticket to appear for a hearing and release, just immediately placed in custody and deported.
They do NOT get to go home or to a bank to collect the spoils of their theft.
They leave with no more than what they are wearing!
Any funds in their wallet or purse should be subject to "asset forfeiture" as criminal proceeds.


26 posted on 01/07/2006 7:20:46 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: dljordan

call the ghostbusters.


27 posted on 01/07/2006 7:49:13 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: DoughtyOne

wait a minute. If we are truly Multicultural, why are the signs not in more languages than English/Spanish??????


28 posted on 01/07/2006 7:51:12 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: John Jorsett

I was in both Target, North Irvine and the adjacent Lowe's, same North Irvine, CA location, the other day (Orange County, CA), after not shopping there for over a year, no longer in the Orange County area but visiting again recently.

Anyway, last time I was there was about a year ago and I'd made frequent shopping trips to both places over the years prior to that.

This latest visit (to both stores, same location, both in the same "wing" of the same large shopping congregation of retailers, North Irvine, CA adjacent to Tustin, CA)...Lowe's had an in-store speaker blaring in Spanish. It was interrupted by some English language music but then a broadcaster would engage in hyper Spanish on the in-store speakers and that continued throughout my hour+ in the store. I also noticed that at the entrance to the store, Lowe's, that there is now a welcome sign over the entrance in Spanish, and one in English.

At the Target right around the corner, I passed a woman trying to get some information from a Target employee about a lid for a plastic bin she was considering purchasing. The Target employee said, "non, we dun hab dah leebs, we no leebs, no leebs."

And then I went through the check out and had the meanest, shrillest, nastiest hispanic cashier imaginable...when I tried to close my OWN shopping bag after she loaded my purchase in it at my request (I don't care for the plastic bags and try to use my own cloth shopping bags as much as possible), she yelled at me, "DON'T HELP, DON'T TOUCH THE BAGS" and proceeded to struggle with zipping them up...

She then said, "Are you WALKING?!" in some sort of accusatory statement, as to why I'd not want the plastic bags, and I was taken aback...I mean, what a thing to "demand" I share with her as a part of the checkout process. "No, I just don't care for all the plastic shopping bags, have to recycle, they don't carry easily, my own shopping bags are just easier to load and carry..." I said, and paid the two hundred dollar+ bill and left the store.

The general atmosphere is now more or less like Mexico, where people treat others with a general disrespect and social denigration.

Irvine, CA USED to be a nice, conservative place and not too long ago. I can tell you right here and now, that's the last time I'll ever go shopping in Target and Lowe's in North Irvine, CA.

Otherwise, the place was populated by what appears to be most of Mexico.


29 posted on 01/07/2006 8:31:19 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: John Jorsett

Build the wall and enforce existing law, and they won't come.


30 posted on 01/07/2006 8:33:48 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: John Jorsett

And, another thing: I was sitting in front of Lowe's waiting for the friends I'd gone along with for shopping (our prearranged place to meet when shopping was over).

I sat there waiting for my friends/relations and there was a Mexican guy double parked in an idling truck right in front of me, talking to a Lowe's employee (female, wearing a Lowe's red apron) who was standing in the street talking into the truck, another Mexican/Hispanic person there talkign to him.

There I am, just sitting on a public bench in front of Lowe's, minding my own business. These two people kept glaring over at me as if I was threatening them somehow, was posing some sort of "official" problem to their existence double parked and idling and hanging out in front of Lowe's as they were...

The woman finally left the guy and glared at me when doing so, the guy finally drove off in his truck...

It was terribly territorial, as if there was some general problem with me even being in the entire shopping place, not being hispanic.

Just one year ago, the entire place was not like that. This year, it seems those two retailers have entire staffs hired out of Mexico and the employees are hostile to people not like themselves.

American retailers are making a huge mistake to assume that their "cheap labor" is aiding their enterprises because what it IS doing, instead, is driving away customers except other "cheap labor" who now populate those areas. And, in my experience, it won't be long before the area deteriorates due to others, like me, who no longer feel comfortable shopping in areas such as these.

So now the margin of urbanity has extended down from L.A. to the north, past Garden Grove and Santa Ana and is affecting Irvine, CA. Even saw graffitti in the area. Bad sign for what has been a conservative area for a very, very long time.


31 posted on 01/07/2006 8:38:45 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: John Jorsett

""This is a means to exist — to carry on their everyday life,'' Flynn said. "This is different from the identity thief who is looking to take your or my ID and get as much out of it as they can.''

No it isn't.


32 posted on 01/08/2006 12:37:29 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our troops at home and abroad!!)
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To: raybbr

BTTT


33 posted on 01/08/2006 12:38:03 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our troops at home and abroad!!)
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To: John Jorsett
Police Capt. Curt Rude

I've seen work-appropriate names; and I've seen redundant names, but this is the first time I've seen both an appropriateness AND a rededuncy.

But what if the burglar only wants to clean your house?

He is STILL an uninvited trespasser, and I don't want him to clean me out.

Liliana Silvestry, executive director of the Welcome Center, which serves Austin's immigrant population, has heard stories of immigrants working under identities they bought or "borrowed'' from the named person.

At last, we see a BIG part of the problem...and I'll bet that she is PROUD of the 'work' she does 'filling a need'.

34 posted on 01/08/2006 1:08:12 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: MillerCreek
It was terribly territorial, as if there was some general problem with me even being in the entire shopping place, not being hispanic.

Yet this population, belligerently resistant to assimilation into mainstream American culture, never hesitates to accuse of of racism and non-inclusion...even while they're not really a "race" at all. Logic and reason don't have any connection to a coddled criminal population that has been allowed to fester and overwhelm us. You and your untanned neighbors are literally expected to give up and move away.

Thank your elected representatives and activist judiciary on the way out. Or you can dig in your heels and wait until you join the true ghosts of statistics.

35 posted on 01/08/2006 2:36:26 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: MillerCreek
The general atmosphere is now more or less like Mexico, where people treat others with a general disrespect and social denigration

Mexico is wherever Mexicans are.

Forget the American Dream. Welcome to the Mexican Nightmare.

36 posted on 01/08/2006 5:05:14 AM PST by Regulator
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To: John Jorsett
They do so not to steal from the "real" people but to work in their names.

They do so because they are selfish people who could not care less about the '"real" people' and all the troubles the stolen identity causes for the victim.

37 posted on 01/08/2006 6:20:17 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


38 posted on 01/08/2006 8:24:43 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: John Jorsett

Mexico is POOR because they have spent many hundreds of years producing children they could not support and educate. End of argument.
We are now the recipient of their spill over the top of the jar, with desparate persons not understanding they are the ones responsible for their own problems.


39 posted on 01/08/2006 8:40:19 AM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: raybbr

I had never heard it, but it doesn't surprise me one bit. And boy does it make my blood boil.


40 posted on 01/08/2006 1:19:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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