Posted on 01/02/2006 2:41:10 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
Always prepared to pass along a death message aren't you??
How much does Planned Parenthood pay you to troll on FR?
Beautiful reply to a death obsessed FR poster!!
Yes, I am death obsessed. I get up everyday and read the obituaries. What is wrong with you people?
Yes. It takes two people to get one person pregnant. And if the impregnator does the right thing, it may help curtail a lot of abortions. Of course, some women get abortions even against the fathers' desires. And married women get them too.
:-(
The conclusion is that sex is designed for making babies. It's part of the package deal. People try to circumvent the natural law in many ways, but mother nature always wins eventually. If sex stays within marriage, and marriage commitments are honored more than they are, this will curb abortion tremendously.
Feminism is evil. It has convinced so many women that being a wife and mother is worthless, less than, inferior, unfulfilling, unimportant, and so on. Men are deprived of their natural manhood, and women of their femininity. Feminism has nothing feminine about it. And who suffers the most? The children, both the ones who don't survive the gauntlet, and those whose parents think their own wants more important than the well being of their children.
There are many reasons why God has given mankind the basic rules for marriage and sex. It's for everyone's happiness.
I know a girl who got two abortions a few years ago, i know for a fact that it's haunting her to this day. The boyfriend at the time was a deadbeat, and when she first got pregnant he demanded she abort it b/c his parents wouldn't tolerate a child out of wedlock and being a dumb young girl wanting to keep her idiot boyfriend happy she did(she is culpable in this too), the second time she got pregnant she wanted to have the kid but the reject boyfriend insisted on the abortion again and said he'd leave her if she had the kid b/c he wasnt ready to marry her. Its been a few years since then but i know for a fact on some nights she will cry herself to sleep about what she's done.
The ironic thing is that they were on birth control both times, just goes to show you the best birth control is a ring.
I can't help but wonder though if girls get pregnant but dont tell their boyfriends and just abort it b/c they dont want to deal with it. I know living in california we account for a large percentage of this countries abortions..
Very sad story, and no doubt all too common. There are various ministries that help women who've had abortions. If she's open to the idea, you might see if you can find out a name or two of one and mention it to her. A lot of crisis pregnancy centers (the pro-life kind) help women who've had abortions, or know of places that do.
She definitely needs help, and it is available. Women need to know that if they sincerely repent, and beg God to forgive them, they can find some peace and wholeness again. Often women who've gone through this help volunteer at such pro-life centers.
And who suffers the most? The children, both the ones who don't survive the gauntlet, and those whose parents think their own wants more important than the well being of their children.
Exactly. This is a little off topic, but does anyone here know that there was a female created before Eve? Her name was Lilith and she refused to be submissive to Adam during, ah, intercourse. She apparantly stated that since she was created from dust like Adam she was his equal in all things. Then she fled the Garden and refused to return; during her absence she copulated wantonly with demons I think and soon became the demoness associated with the death of children. I find that association quite striking since abortion is the main mantra of feminsts is their support of abortion which of course kills children. Furthermore, the name of the annual gathering of feminsts is called of all things, the Lilith Fair Concert!
Below are a few links I think you'll find interesting.
http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/lilith.html
http://lilith.nazirene.org/
Hmm, interesting. I heard about the Lilith fair and wondered where they got that name. Where does the Lilith story come from?
You don't need to reply - I just checked the websites, they tell everything.
Very blood curdling.
"Women who also had at least one abortion were twice as likely to drink alcohol at dangerous levels and three times as likely to be dependent on illicit drugs."
Ah, but which came first? Someone who's drinking and drugging too much is a prime candidate for an accidental pregnancy in the first place.
Nonsense. This shows that young women who drink excessive amounts of alcohol and use illegal drugs are more likely to get pregnant when they don't want to be (kind of hard to focus on "precautions" or self-control, while drunk or strung out on drugs), and thus obviously more likely to have abortions. And we already know from REAL scientific research that people prone to depression tend to self-medicate with alcohol and illegal drugs. And depression alone (without the drugs and alcohol) tends to make sufferers not able to find the energy or motivation to take simple steps (like getting to a clinic or pharmacy for contraceptives) that have no instant gratification component, but will clearly be well worth the effort in future benefits.
It's telling that the article has nothing to say about the relative rates of depression in the study subjects BEFORE any of them got pregnant or had abortions, or about how many of the drug and alcohol users who did not have abortions did have depression. Even the key conclusion statement: At age 25, 42 per cent of those who had an abortion had experienced major depression at some stage during the previous four years - nearly double the rate of those who had never been pregnant compares only women who have had abortions vs. women who have never been pregnant. Are we to assume that every single woman in this study who got pregnant had an abortion? Or is that these agenda-driven researchers don't want to mention the mental health condition of the young women who got pregnant and went ahead and gave birth to an unwanted child?
It always amazes me how many anti-abortion zealots are willing to instantly swallow any junk science they see which claims to support their position on abortion, even when they are otherwise intelligent people who are quick to debunk and ridicule comparable junk science which promotes global warming alarmism or other leftist-agenda items.
If you don't know any women whose lives fit that pattern, you're either living a very sheltered life, or just refusing to see what you don't want to see.
Since post partum depression occurs in at least 10% of women who give birth, that alone would have poked a big hole in their "conclusion", which states only that a higher percentage of women who had had abortions, had also "experienced major depression at some stage during the previous four years", not that they had experienced depression AFTER having an abortion. By the time that misleading classification is fixed (thus eliminating the group who only expereinced depression before they had an abortion), and post-partum depression is factored in, I seriously doubt that the incidence of depression in women after an abortion vs. after even a wanted baby's birth reaches statistical significance. If you categorized it as women who had an abortion vs. women who carried an UNwanted pregnancy to term, I suspect the incidence of depression would be significantly higher in the latter group.
Naturally raising children is a huge responsibility, stressful, and so on. Different from the "carefree" life of no children, no nursing, no changing diapers, no staying up at night with a feverish children, cleaning up vomit, and so on.
But MENTAL IMPAIRMENT?
Your equating mental impairment with the above shows mental impairment, or the promotion of an agenda.
You're talking about the normal effects of raising a wanted child in a reasonably stable home. A lot of babies come into the world through mothers who don't want them and aren't equipped yet to support a child, fathers who are in and out of jail and rehab all the time and also don't want them and don't pay a dime in child support because they don't even have any money for courts to confiscate from them. Then single mom can't manage to pursue any education or job training that would make her financially stable, while also having a child to take care of, so she spends her life at a series of lousy low-paying jobs, with the kid dumped in low quality daycare centers, and later public schools in bad neighborhoods. Next thing mom knows, the kid is doing drugs, joining gangs, getting pregnant (or making someone else pregnant) at 13, and mom has given up any chance at a decent life for herself, just to raise another lowlife criminal/drug addict. You think she doesn't get seriously depressed about this, and turn to serious alcohol and drug abuse, even if she hadn't been doing those things before her life got screwed up by having a baby that nobody wanted? And no, adoption doesn't fix everything either. Many women who give up babies for adoption have long term psychological problems as a result.
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