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To: A. Pole
I was willing to give Mr. Roberts the benefit of the doubt until I read the following:

The U.S. invasion of Iraq has brought the breakdown in American moral fiber to the fore. The horrific tortures and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, the public justifications of torture by the president and vice president of the United States, and the CIA kidnappings and torture of detainees in secret prisons put the American “liberators” in the same camp as Saddam Hussein. It is ironic that mistreatment of Iraqis is one of the justifications that Bush uses for overthrowing Saddam.

From what I have seen, the "tortures and abuses" committed by our troops at Abu Ghraib fell far short of "horrific." And to equate them with mass murder committed by Saddam Hussein is beyond belief.

12 posted on 12/28/2005 8:00:07 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
From what I have seen, the "tortures and abuses" committed by our troops at Abu Ghraib fell far short of "horrific."

Would you recommend Abu Ghraib treatment to the arrested American suspects?

15 posted on 12/28/2005 8:03:57 PM PST by A. Pole (Franklin: "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either")
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To: Logophile

I note that Mr. Roberts doesn't question the convictions handed down by the Abu Ghraib courts-martial.


26 posted on 12/28/2005 8:09:43 PM PST by RichInOC (Lynndie England: Human Female or Shaved Chimp?)
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To: Logophile

Yep... Lost all credibility at that point...


29 posted on 12/28/2005 8:13:33 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: Logophile

March 1, 2005
The Last Waltz?
The Coming End of the American Superpower

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

The US economy is headed toward crisis, and the political leadership of the country--if it can be called leadership--is preoccupied with nonexistent weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East.

The US economy is failing. The afflictions are serious. They could be fatal even if diagnosed and treated. America is losing the purchasing power of its currency and its ability to create middle class jobs.


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Wednesday, May 18, 2005

A Reputation in Tatters

George W. Bush and his gang of neocon warmongers have destroyed America’s reputation. It is likely to stay destroyed, because at this point the only way to restore America’s reputation would be to impeach and convict President Bush for intentionally deceiving Congress and the American people in order to start a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States.

America can redeem itself only by holding Bush accountable.



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Paul Craig Roberts is
the John M. Olin fellow
at the Institute for Political
Economy, a research
fellow at the Independent
Institute, and senior
research fellow at the
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September 1, 2005
How New Orleans Was Lost
by Paul Craig Roberts

Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war.

There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting.

The situation is the same in Mississippi.

The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq.

The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job.


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Paul Craig Roberts - Archived Articles


Guilty When Charged Friday, Dec. 23, 2005
Christianity: The Greatest Gift for All Wednesday, Dec. 21, 2005
Bush's Rendition Policy Wednesday, Dec. 14, 2005
Condi to Europe: 'Trust Me' Friday, Dec. 9, 2005
Don't Confuse the Jobs Hype With the Facts Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2005
We Must Hold the Scoundrels Accountable Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005
Destruction of Habeas Corpus in U.S. Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005
Job Growth in U.S. at a Standstill Thursday, Nov. 10, 2005
Libby's Indictment: Counterrevolution Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005
The Police State Is Closer Than You Think Monday, Oct. 10, 2005
The Triumph of Ideology Over Reality Sunday, Oct. 9, 2005
How the Neocons Took Over Friday, Oct. 7, 2005
The Greatest Strategic Disaster in U.S. History Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2005
America Is Running Out of Time Sunday, Oct. 2, 2005
America Is Running out of Time Tuesday, Sept. 27, 2005
Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America? Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2005
From Federal Failure Arises More Federal Power Monday, Sept. 19, 2005
Impeach Bush Now Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005
How New Orleans was Lost Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005
Does Anyone Know What We Are Doing in Iraq? Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005
Corrupted Justice Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005
Get Ready for World War III Thursday, Aug. 18, 2005
Why Is Cheney Lobbying for a Boost in China's Nuclear Capability? Saturday, Aug. 13, 2005
Watching the Economy Crumble Wednesday, Aug. 10, 2005
Kelo's Implications Are Horrendous Monday, Aug. 8, 2005
The Kelo Calamity Saturday, Aug. 6, 2005
Armageddon Gets No Press Thursday, Aug. 4, 2005
Departing Iraq Saturday, July 30, 2005
U.S. Falling Behind Across the Board Friday, July 29, 2005
China-Mart Takes Over Wednesday, July 27, 2005
America's Descent Into the Third World Thursday, July 21, 2005
The No-Think Nation Thursday, July 14, 2005
Londoners Pay Heavy Price for Blair's Deception Sunday, July 10, 2005
A Defeat Bred in Deceit Saturday, July 2, 2005
Bush's War Against Iraq Ruining America Thursday, June 30, 2005
What Is Bush's Agenda in Iraq? Wednesday, June 22, 2005
Americans Enabling Evil Thursday, June 16, 2005
If Pinochet Is Guilty, So Is Bush Friday, June 10, 2005
FBI Creates 'Terrorists' With Entrapment Wednesday, June 8, 2005
U.S. Labor Force: One Foot in the Third World Tuesday, June 7, 2005
Washington Is the Source of Terror Friday, June 3, 2005
Bush Opts for Civil War in Iraq Wednesday, June 1, 2005
More Jobs Hype Friday, May 13, 2005
Woodrow Wilson and George Bush Wednesday, April 27, 2005
Outsourcing: A Greater Threat Than Terrorism Friday, April 22, 2005
Job Drought Continues Friday, April 8, 2005
Whither America? Wednesday, April 6, 2005
Draft Needed to Bail Out the Cakewalk War Tuesday, March 29, 2005
A Threat Greater Than Terrorism Thursday, March 24, 2005
America's Has-been Economy Wednesday, March 16, 2005
U.S. Heading Toward Third World Economy Monday, March 14, 2005
Is Bush Plunging Deeper Into the Quagmire? Wednesday, March 9, 2005
America's Superpower Status Coming to an End Tuesday, March 1, 2005
Bush Outfoxed by bin Laden Thursday, Feb 24, 2005
Sycophantic Media Monday, Feb 21, 2005
The Great American Job Sellout Friday, Feb. 18, 2005
We Have Nothing to Fear but Bush Himself Thursday, Feb. 17, 2005
More Bad News on the Jobs Front Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005
Abandoning Liberty, Gaining Insecurity Thursday, Feb. 3, 2005
Does Bush Mean It? Friday, Jan. 28, 2005
A Party Without Virtue Thursday, Jan. 27, 2005
Our Troops Are Dying for Sycophants Thursday, Jan. 20, 2005
How Americans Were Seduced by War Wednesday, Jan. 19, 2005
No Iraq 'Cakewalk' Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2005
Unbecoming Conduct Friday, Dec. 31, 2004
No Justice for Falsely Imprisoned Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2004
A Dose of Reality for Douglas Feith Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2004
Bush Losing His 'War on Terror' Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2004
Bush Has Created Bad Image of America Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2004
What Became of Conservatives? Monday, Nov. 29, 2004
Spreading the War to Iran? Wednesday, Nov. 24, 2004
Dollar's Value In Jeopardy Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2004
Continuing Distress on the Jobs Front Friday, Nov. 5, 2004
U.S. Moving From First to Third World Wednesday, Oct. 20, 2004
British Labour Party Hiring Our Army for Largesse Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004
Economics: Science or Religion? Friday, Oct. 8, 2004
The War Against Men Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2004
Delusion Rules Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2004
Attention Deficit America Wednesday, Sept. 22, 2004
John Kerry, Do Your Duty Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004
Thinking About Jobs Monday, Sept. 13, 2004
Podhoretz Turning Aggression into Virtue Wednesday, Sept. 8, 2004
A Letter to Readers Friday, Aug. 27, 2004
Lke War? Vote Republican Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2004
The Star Chamber Is Back Wednesday, Aug. 18, 2004
Foibles and Their Consequences Friday, Aug. 13, 2004
All Quiet on the Jobs Front Monday, Aug. 9, 2004
A Colossus With Weak Knees Wednesday, Aug. 4, 2004
The Jobs Question Monday, Aug. 2, 2004
The Process Did It Wednesday, July 14, 2004
U.S. Employment Growth not Part of Global Economy Wednesday, July 7, 2004
Democrat/Republican Role Reversal Thursday, July 1, 2004
Say Goodbye to the Attorney-Client Privilege Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Assessing the Assessments Friday, June 18, 2004
The Jobs That Aren't Wednesday, June 16, 2004
Deceit in Jobs Numbers Wednesday, June 9, 2004
Reagan Changed the World Monday, June 7, 2004
Brown Myths Live in Law Schools Tuesday, May 25, 2004
Watching the Economy Disintegrate Wednesday, May 19, 2004
An Infamous Ruling Monday, May 17, 2004





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32 posted on 12/28/2005 8:22:56 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Logophile
I agree. The article sounded 51% reasonable until...

The U.S. invasion of Iraq has brought the breakdown in American moral fiber to the fore. The horrific tortures and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison...

We need another source to discuss the strength and weaknesses of the American legal system. I personally try to stay out of trouble and out of court.
35 posted on 12/28/2005 8:32:05 PM PST by Falconspeed (Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Logophile
You got further than I did. I began to question his credibility at the second sentence:American prisons are full of wrongfully convicted persons.

I don't doubt for a minute that some people are set up; especially where sexual crimes are involved, but I really don't believe that jails are *FULL* of wrongfully convicted people. I've seen many more crimes NOT prosecuted than I ever have met people who were wrongfully jailed.

52 posted on 12/28/2005 9:15:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Logophile
Here is another little gem from the esteemed Paul Crackpot Roberts:

"The spectacle of an American secretary of state being sent to Europe to reassure America’s allies that the United States does not torture prisoners has brought an end to America’s moral grandeur. America stands revealed before the world as just another unaccountable police state."

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi/2005/12/21#Rendition_Unto_Caes

What a moonbat! He is just another European loving member of the blame America first crowd.
54 posted on 12/28/2005 9:23:51 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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