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To: Luis Gonzalez
Your entire post, and argument, is centered around the individual who founded Kwanzaa...so much crap. What he did has nothing to do with the current celebration, or the celebrants.

Why do you continue to completely ignore the intent of Kwanzaa, the OFFICIAL Kwanzaa website, the OFFICIAL "keepers of the Kwanzaa tradition", and the books on the goals and intent of Kwanzaa written by its founder? Do you pretend that Kwanzaa is completely separate from its stated intent and design? Is Kwanzaa an even more fake holiday in that it started as a fake holiday of so-called African heritage and is now even more fake because it is even disconnected from its origin, founder, goals, and intent? Why is Karenga still invited to all of the huge Kwanzaa celebrations if he is no longer the big Kwanzaa Kahuna? If he IS still the King Kwanzaaite, then how can his writings - past and current -about Kwanzaa, its goals and intent be completely disconnected from Kwanzaa? They simply can't be. Only YOU choose to do so because your glorious vision of Kwanzaa as you saw with the silly people who celebrated it does not match the truth of Kwanzaa as established by, written by, and furthered by its founder.

206 posted on 01/01/2006 7:00:35 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
"Why do you continue to completely ignore the intent of Kwanzaa, the OFFICIAL Kwanzaa website, the OFFICIAL "keepers of the Kwanzaa tradition"

The official keepers of the Kwanzaa tradition?

Those would be people like my neighbor and his family; a Christian family with better values than you, who observe Kwanzaa to give themselves a sense of heritage.

Apparently, observing one's heritage is OK by you, as long as that heritage is Eurocaucasian. St. Patrick's Day is fine to you, Cinco De Mayo isn't.

Oktoberfest is fine to you, Kwanzaa isn't.

That's because you are a bigot.

To point out some bulls#it, published by some fringe, nutjob, radical extremist group, hold it up as an example, and then paint anyone who actually observes the celebration with a paint brush dippedin the pages of their words is so you.

You do it at all levels, about all people.

All Muslims are (fill in the blank), all Mexicans are (fill in the blank), all immigrants are (fill in the blank).

You lie at every turn; out of one side of your mouth you compare Kwanzaa celebrants to Nazis, then you deny doing it in the very same post that you compare them to Nazis.

You hate everyone and anyone who isn't you...your race, your ethnicity, your religion.

May God have mercy on you.

207 posted on 01/01/2006 7:24:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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