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To: Spiff
"You don't get it. It is NOT their heritage. It is NOT African heritage no matter how it tries to be African heritage."

So, you are the arbiter of how others celebrate; no wonder you admire and defend Nazis.

That's what is wrong with people like you; it isn't sufficient that you have freedom to celebrate whatever you wish to celebrate however you wish, you also have to dictate what and how others celebrate whatever they wish to celebrate.

You judge.

Do I support the establishment of a separate black nation?

What kind of stupidity are you spouting now?

Do you attribute whatever bulls%it extremists groups say to the larger segment of the population?

Of course you do; it's what bigots do.

Let's judge all Christians by the selective words and actions of a segment of Christians, shall we?

" Ultimately we must separate ourselves from the Blacks and other non-whites and keep ourselves separate, no matter what it takes to accomplish this. We must do this not because we hate Blacks, but because we cannot survive if we remain mixed with them. And we cannot survive if we permit the Jews and the traitors among us to remain among us and to repeat their treachery. Eventually we must hunt them down and get rid of them." - William Pierce, National Alliance 1997.

Idiots like you have been blabbing about an imminent racial revolution since my college days in the 1970's...where the hell is it, other than in your twisted heads.

"I'm not trying to ban the holiday or stop people from observing it. I simply want to register my strong objection to President Bush's official recognition of the racist and Marxist "holiday" "

More crap from you; the celebration is neither racist, nor Marxist.

I've been to a small Kwanzaa celebration, hosted by good friends, who are much better Christians than you are, and I've seen these "Marxist" principles.

They break down to basically a need to create a positive sense of self, to maintain a sense of heritage and family, to clean up their own communities by solving existing problems together, to build up the community through work, to beautify the community, to believe in one self, and the positive role models available.

Good Lord man!

What more could we possibly want from black America than a united effort at cleaning up their neighborhoods and their social problems?

Why would anyone, other than an abject bigot, try to throw dirt on such an innocuous, and positive event?

"You want to twist it into some racial thing"

How unbelievably hypocritical if you t say that.

I have now the same statement that I started this thread with...they are American citizens, just like I am, and he is their President just like he is mine.

You however, compared Kwanzaa celebrants to Nazis.

Bigot.

198 posted on 12/30/2005 4:33:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So, you are the arbiter of how others celebrate; no wonder you admire and defend Nazis.

I do not admire nor defend Nazia. You are a liar and you've always been a liar.

That's what is wrong with people like you; it isn't sufficient that you have freedom to celebrate whatever you wish to celebrate however you wish, you also have to dictate what and how others celebrate whatever they wish to celebrate.

I never once said that Kwanzaa should be banned. I only expressed my displeasure at President Bush joining ONLY President Clinton in giving any official recognition to this illegitimate and heinous observance.

You judge. Do I support the establishment of a separate black nation? What kind of stupidity are you spouting now? Do you attribute whatever bulls%it extremists groups say to the larger segment of the population?

You missed the point - again - for the hundredth time. I asked the questions because those are the stated goals of Kwanzaa's founder, the stated goals for which Kwanzaa was founded, and the underlying goals of Kwanzaa. I didn't make it up. It comes from the words of Kwanzaa's founder and from the official Kwanzaa books and resources.

Idiots like you have been blabbing about an imminent racial revolution since my college days in the 1970's...where the hell is it, other than in your twisted heads.

It is not me that is "blabbing" about racial revolution. It is Ron Everett and the other racists black nationalists who have stated that goal, support that goal, and have invented a holiday to further that goal. Don't attack me, attack them.

Why would anyone, other than an abject bigot, try to throw dirt on such an innocuous, and positive event?

If you have read, as you claim to have read, the posts exposing the founder, origin, goals, intent, and nature of Kwanzaa using the founder's own words and that of the official Kwanzaa resources you would not claim that Kwanzaa is "innocuous and positive". The reason it is dressed up in such a benign appearance is to lull people into subscribing to it. You seem to attribute the claims posted here about Kwanzaa to me, but you fail to recognize the source for those claims which are the writings and statements of Kwanzaa's own founder.

202 posted on 12/31/2005 1:55:51 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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