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To: Eagles Talon IV

If you were asked to speak about abortion in a classroom setting, and the lesson plan gave told you to tell about it as a good, nice thing, would you do it? I know if it were me, I would not be able to do it.


29 posted on 12/26/2005 8:33:45 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

Wow! Look at all the bile and venom this woman's actions have brought out, all because she told children about the MYTH of Santa Claus.

She's "scum", a "b***h", and *gasp!* a "liberal"! Some of these same folks, when confronted with the hypothetical you offered about abortion would applaud a substitute teacher for refusing to teach that abortion is okay, according to the "lesson plan" but Santa, whoa! That "b***h" should have stuck with the lesson plan because it's okay to teach children about a jolly fat guy in a red suit who "sees you when you're sleeping, knows when you're awake, knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness' sake" who delivers whatever they want to them, all in one night!

She really touched a sacred cow, this time, eh? She better not be teaching near Easter and tell the truth about that character or the fur is REALLY going to fly!


64 posted on 12/26/2005 8:46:07 AM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: Conservatrix

Your analogy is not correct. There is a lot of difference between poetry and life/death situations. You are mixing apples and oranges saying they are the same. Wrongo here!! Now the perfect analogy would be asking if you would teach that James Whitcomb Riley's poem, "Little Orphan Annie" was written to scare children into behaving correctly, or to tell a childhood fantasy about gobblins and ghosts? Both poems, "Night Before Christmas" and "Little Orphan Annie" were written to enhance childrens' fantasies, no more and no less. To make it anything else is not to be tolerated nor accepted by the general public. Hence, your rebuke is not correct.


83 posted on 12/26/2005 8:53:16 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Conservatrix

I believe this teacher when she says it would go against her conscience to present the lesson as given. Too bad she couldn't express her reservations to her superiors first, and ask for opportunity to present a different lesson or ask to be relieved.

One does not need to be so anal about teaching the difference between imagination and reality, especially with young children. To take a well-known poem rooted in history and fantasy and attempt to seriously relate (or interpret) it for six-year-olds is to treat them as adults.

Meanwhile I'm curious as to how speaking positively about abortion to six year-olds relates to a simple reading of "The Night Before Christmas." Pangs of conscience over reading an imaginary poem to six-year-olds? Give me a break!


110 posted on 12/26/2005 9:05:42 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Conservatrix
Nobody, I repeat NOBODY was asking her to AGREE about anything regarding Santa. She was to read the item to the CHILDREN. No political comment was required or needed in this instance. Also, what seems to have been completely lost in all of this is that these were 6-7 year old children. The poster who said if she found it so offensive then she simply should have not read it and gone on to something else.

As for your lesson plan comment. Teachers have a wide latitude in discussing almost any permissible subject. If you can cite me one example of a teacher being told specifically HOW (by the Administration) to frame a political subject such as abortion, then I will be glad to discuss that with you.
315 posted on 12/26/2005 10:43:11 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Conservatrix

In a REAL classroom, you would/could never be REQUIRED to speak of abortion in glowing terms. It wouldn't be legal and it wouldn't be germane to any lesson plan I can imagine.


588 posted on 12/26/2005 11:49:10 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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