Posted on 12/25/2005 2:58:41 PM PST by GermanBusiness
when I was a young woman, I read a book about the official investigation into the murder of the Tsar and his wife and all of his children. Since that time, I started buying books on about the Tsar and his wife and his children and I have several books about Russian royalty that got out of Russia safely.
Why don't you do the actual historical research about what happened instead of listening to hearsay? The truth is so much more interesting!
BTW, Queen Victoria's father loved women! He had a beloved mistress for years but duty called and he married Victoria's mother and he is the actual father of Victoria. Victoria got her looks from him.
yep, there are pretenders every where.
[Why don't you do the actual historical research about what happened instead of listening to hearsay? The truth is so much more interesting!]
The truth is unknown, except that it is a fact that Alexei and Maria's bones were not found and not later reburied in St. Petersburg in 1998 with the rest of the family.
Alexei and Maria are wildcards now. Nobody knows what happened to them...or is telling.
Now I am dating a young woman from the 190000 zip code in Russia (within a mile of the Winter Palace) where the grandfather was born in 1907 and apparently knew Alexei who was born in 1904. The grandfather was murdered by a doctor in Kazakstan during a routine physical in the late 40s...apparently because of something to do with the Tsarevich. From a family I might marry into, "hearsay" has a different ring, especially when you know that many authors are left wing fools who rely on "hearsay" to write their books as well.
Digging up history doesn't stop when a so-called authoritarian history book is written. I can do research and write what might become the best book on the Romanovs ever written. If I had the time which I do not. If I were to find Alexei's bones...I might reconsider and write a book.
My "family" in Russia has a group of octogenarians who might die soon and I am scrambling now to get their stories.
Mutations happen. Classic hemophilia is caused by one wrong gene on one X chromosome. When a female inherits that chromosome, she's a carrier. When a male inherits it, he's a hemophiliac.
For Queen Victoria to have inherited the carrier X chromosome from her biological father without a mutation, her father would have had to have been a hemophiliac himself. In those days there was no treatment, and hemophiliacs rarely made it past childhood, much less grew up to commit adultery with princesses. It's perfectly legitimate biology to believe that Queen Victoria was a hemophilia carrier because of a defective gene on a mutated X chromosome inherited from either of her parents.
{In those days there was no treatment, and hemophiliacs rarely made it past childhood, much less grew up to commit adultery with princesses.]
Great point.
And getting back to Alexei: this means that he probably would not have made it to 1960 as a monk in Siberia which is what the tradition is in my Russian family.
Apparently one paper cut and its all over.
So he wasn't "Heiko" or the Polish KGB defector either.
A skeleton of a twenty something Alexei might be in Russia somewhere.
But I am still investigating the "family tradition" that he died at age 53 in 1960 in a Siberian monastery.
The latter brings up images of the end of "Crime and Punishment" where Rasxolnikov and his ex-prostitute 18 year old wife become Christians.
[But I am still investigating the "family tradition" that he died at age 53 in 1960 in a Siberian monastery.]
Sorry, I meant age 56 when he died. Alexei was born in 1904.
BUMPSKI...for later read!
I have always been fascinated with Russian history but this stuff gets old. Where is your evidence that he and Maria survived? You say there were no bones from them present yet they were all there when they were rounded up and taken to the room. Then where did they go and who took them? And why Maria of all the girls?
Correct. If Victoria's mother was a carrier, she would have had a 50-50 chance of being one as well, or, her off-spring could have spontaneously mutated.
[I have always been fascinated with Russian history but this stuff gets old.]
Naoborot. Pochemy vy tak dumaete? It is only just getting interesting. You've been fascinated with a "Russian history" that was largely written and rewritten by the leftist communists. Much of what the White Army did died with the White Army soldiers and, later, those who were purged. There is still a ton of information to glean off the old people in Russia. A few years ago, I froze while I walked around Stalingrad (Volgograd) with old men who fought there...asking them details about various battles. They were saying things not found in any books.
[Where is your evidence that he and Maria survived? You say there were no bones from them present yet they were all there when they were rounded up and taken to the room. Then where did they go and who took them? And why Maria of all the girls?]
The communists said the family were all present, or at least those present at the execution were all SUPPOSED to be good communists. Do you think they would have reported back to Lenin "We decided to spare the best looking girl and sell the heir to the throne to our White Army contacts for 3 million rubles."
They never photographed the dead bodies which is what they would have been EXPECTED to do. I am amazed that Lenin did not execute the execution squad for this failure. The Russian communists needed to see Nicholas the Second and Alexei, in particular, lying with bullet holes in their heads. The male heir was too much of a threat falling into White Army hands.
Yet DNA tests now show that Alexei and Maria's bones are not with the rest of the family.
Sure, it is possible that Maria was raped and then killed within an hour of the rest of them and her bones lie within a mile of the Ipetia House. Why Maria? Because one of the criminals would have fancied her. It is also possible that Alexei was the victim of someone who had a penchant for boys and his bones lie within a mile of the execution scene.
But one might also assume that Maria was spared because her beauty and/or intelligence melted someone's heart. She would have become that person's wife (she wouldn't really have much of a choice either).
And it is very plausible that the leader of the execution squad did NOT want to carry out the full order and deliberately spared the most important victim: Alexei...who would have been given over to the White Army OR to Russian Orthodox Church members to pass through the monastery system.
It is possible that the Red Army had elements that would have wanted to defect to the White Army if only the Bolsheviks could lose face with the population, making it safe to defect. Such elements would have pulled Alexei from the execution lineup. One can imagine that the true history had Nicholas the Second praising God that his son and a daughter were being spared before realizing that his other daughters, his wife and himself were about to die.
Good post - - Having read several books about Rasputin, I swerved into all the Romanov theories and the subject has always fascinated me. Good luck.
I believe that it was Alexei's hemophelia which brought Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin into the inner circle, as Rasputin was able to successfully convince Alexandra that he had supernatural healing powers and could cure Alexei.
ROMANOVS..PEOPLE SHOULD START WITH FACTS AND SEE WHERE IT LEADS..MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO READ ONE VERSION AND TAKE MANY STORIES FROM THERE...SO MANY THINGS DONT ADD UP WITH THE EXECUTIONS..THE LIVING ROMANOVS WOULDNT WANT ANY TURNING UP ANYWAY..LOOK AT THE MONEY THEY WOULD LOSE..ALSO WHERE HAS THE MONEY GONE??THE TSAR HAD MANY OVERSEAS ACCOUNTS..ROMANOV HEIRS WOULD HAVE KEPT QUIET OUT OF FEAR OF BEING KILLED...DONT FORGET HOW FAR THE KGB COULD REACH...2 BODIES MISSING AT LEAST...ACID WONT DESTROY BODIES..JUST DEFACE THEM...ALSO THE BONES THAT WERE “CONVENIENTLY” FOUND TO PUT THE STORY TO BED.....ACCORDING TO UK POLICE FORENSICS CANT BE USED FOR BURIED BODIES OVER 50 YEARS OLD...ONLY IDENTIFIACTION BY DENTAL RECORDS IF ANY....IF THE FAMILY HAD BEEN MURDERED THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN PHOTOS..NOT ONLY TO PROVE THE DEED TO THEIR BOSSES BUT AS HUMANS ARE GRIZZLY AND ALWAYS RECORD THOSE SORTS OF THINGS..ALSO TRY RE-APPEARING IN THE TIME BETWEEN THE END OF WW1 AND WW2...WORLD IN DEEP DEPRESSIONS....WORRIES ABOUT WAR....A COMMUNIST GRIP ON RUSSIA...NO RELATIVES (WHO DUE TO FEAR OF LOSING ALL THE MONEY THEY HAD GOT THEIR HANDS ON) TO COME FORWARD AND PROVE THEIR IDENTITY..ALSO THE RELATIVES THEMSLEVES SCARED OF A KGB BULLET.ALSO THE RUSSIAN GOVT DESTRUCTION OF THE SO CALLED PLACE OF EXECUTION AND THE ODD STORY EVEN FROM THE EXECUTIONER OF BLANK BULLETS...LOTS OF THINGS DONT ADD UP.HERE AT ALL...A STRAIGHT FORWARD EXECUTION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BY PEOPLE WHO SO CALLED HATED THE ROMANOVS....OR DID THEY...WAS IT JUST A REVOLUTION THAT WENT A BIT TOO FAR???DID THE SOLDIERS GUARDING THEM THINK TWICE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE ORDERED TO DO...WHAT WITH A WHITE ARMY BEING NOT THAT FAR AWAY IN RUSSIAN DISTANCE TERMS..IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BETTER TO KEEP THE HOSTAGES THEMSELVES AS BARGAINING POINTS AND TELL THE HIGH UP COMMUNISTS THEY HAD KILLED THEM....BIENG THE CAPTORS ON THE SPOT..WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE...???
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Are there any theories on what may have happened to Maria, had she really survived? I have a Russian-born daughter who looks remarkably like her. It’s unsettling.
It makes me glad that I am descended from a bunch of Scots Irish Thugs and Border Reavers and West of England Freeholders, no complications.
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My name is Blake Vrooman and the conection with the Romanov family is true
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