Posted on 12/22/2005 10:45:30 PM PST by balch3
IN ITS opening pages, “Biology for Christian Schools” (Bob Jones University Press) comes straight to the point:
“The people who have prepared this book have tried consistently to put the Word of God first and science second. To the best of the author's knowledge, the conclusions drawn from observable facts that are presented in this book agree with the Scriptures. If a mistake has been made (which is probable since this book was prepared by humans) and at any point God's Word is not put first, the author apologises.” And that is precisely why a high-school science course using the 693-page book as a primary text does not meet the admission standards of the University of California (UC). It does not, argues the university, reflect “knowledge generally accepted in the scientific and educational communities and with which a student at the university level should be conversant.” The same, says the university, is true of some other courses—in history, literature and government—offered by Calvary Chapel Christian Schools of Murrieta, a small town south-east of Los Angeles. These courses also rely on books from the Bob Jones University Press and from another Christian publisher, A Beka Books.
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Isn't it premature to predict a "tide of ID", when ID as a hypothesis has existed longer than science itself, and despite countless believers through the past four centuries of science, *still* hasn't come up with any workable findings?
"ID" is a dead end.
Where is the eternal life of evolution?
Evo is the dead end.
Do you have any hard, scientific evidence of "eternal life?"
Hardly. Recent discoveries of the complex language of DNA, even for the simplest of single cells show ID IS the only possible explanation. the "miracle" of spontanious chance is a much further "leap of faith" than the concept of a creator who exists in a demension beyond the understanding of man, who has difficulty understanding what is nateral, and what is not.
The people who gave us the "God is Dead" headline are still being laughed at.
Do you have any hard evidence that the universe began from nothing? Seems your leap of faith is no less than that of a person who believes in ID.
I asserted no such concept...aren't you being a bit presumptive?
Can you answer my original question?
Yes I can. God has told us so, and God has proven his word over and over again, Has you God ever proven his word?
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Do you have any hard, scientific evidence of "eternal life?"
Anyone declaring to be a believer of evolution asserts that the universe had a beginning. This is the ONE THING that evo's and ID'ers agree on. The "beginning" according to Evo's is "the big bang theory" where a tiny, wee, wee, wee wee, wee, wee thing, consisting of- nothing, so tiny and wee and full of- nothing- that it cannot be measured, and existing nowhere, because the universe did not yet exist, but yet, somehow, this wee, wee , wee, wee, wee thing of nothing existing nowhere, for no reason, exploded. (for no reason) Nothing exploded, somehow. This nothing expanded, like a balloon. That is our galaxy, our universe today.
This is no different than the belief that God created the universe, except God didn't create it from nothing, He created it from his Word. In fact, that is even more far fetched than God creating the universe from his word, because at least God exists in dimensions man has yet to understand.
This is as far as the whole argument has to go. Unless you, or any "professor" can prove how the universe was created, and that it WASN'T created by God, All that is left is the study of the creation.
I think we can both agree that it needs to be studied, regardless of how it got here. Surely, what we see and understand in our laboratories does not change because of one's belief, does it? Science after all, deals with the physical object we are studying.
And again, I answer, yes I do. God has told and proven this to us. Read psalm 22, written 964 years before the event. Described in such detail it cannot be forged. this is not the only example, or "proof", but it is the most important one , because it makes it possible for YOU to have it.
These are tough questions, And I believe we, mankind are free to look for the answers regardless of what you or I believe. I believe that science should be indifferent, and allow both avenues to be explored. Why? Because to close the path to either "theory" limits and therefore hinders the advancement of our knowledge.
Wouldn't you agree?
So who KILLED ID? The Heavenly Father is NOT dead no matter what man in the flesh claims.
The jury is still out on this one. If the universe had a beginning, what was there before it? If the universe was created, where did the creater reside before the creation? It's one of those issues that we cannot, at our present level of science and technology, discern.
So what we have are two efforts to explain what we experience: Science and religion. Science has lmited itself to only those phenomena we as human beings can observe or infer from instruments and the data they produce. Religion relies upon faith as an explanation for what we cannot physically measure. Neither is a dishonest effort to understand our reality. But to pit them against each other is an attempt to create a false dichotomy. Science acknowledges that it cannot understand the supernatural, and religious adherents wisely do not challenge physical reality. It's when those who claim to be speaking for religion deny physical realty that the line dividing the two epistomologies is crossed.
And that takes me back to my original question: Do you have any hard, scientific evidence of "eternal life?" That the answer, which seems to be anathema on this post, is no should not be regarded as an attack upon religion, but merely acknowledgement that science has produced no data to the contrary.
No, it's not. That is the theory of evolution. It does demand a leap of faith, and that is why ID's point fingers right back at EVO's, exposing their religion. If the universe had a beginning, what was there before it? If the universe was created, where did the creator reside before the creation?
God explains his existence to Abraham. Bear in mind however, the bible is NOT a science journal. With that in mind, it's quite amazing that His explanation to Abraham 5000-6000 years ago is still worthy of thought today. He explains- I AM. He is multidimensional, and that is something we just cannot understand yet. There IS some theories floating around on this very subject however.
It's one of those issues that we cannot, at our present level of science and technology, discern.
As said above, I agree. However, I notice many people who outright reject the possibility of ID have never actually read the bible. I mean faithfully studied it, as they would a thesis submitted to a journal of science. A second observation is ID does not necessarily mean you have to believe this creator was the God of the bible.
Religion relies upon faith as an explanation for what we cannot physically measure.
Ahh. Religion isn't trying to replace science. This is a misconception among EVO's. Granted, there are some nuts in the crowd. As early as 1253 or there abouts, Fathers of the Church spoke on this very subject. The ruleing was, the Church is based on truth, and science was/is work done to discover truth. Since the Church is based on the truth of the Lord, then there is nothing to fear about truth discovered through science, because all that can be discovered is the truth of God.
I'd like to finnish this, but I have to go, work calls. My concern, and belief is that science shouldn't be hindered by one belief or another. I agree with St. Augustine, that the truth leads us to a greater understanding of GOD. God is truth, and science is discovery of truth. Any true scientist shouldn't be afraid of dicovering God, and if it works the other way, so be it. If you would like to continue this, let me know. nice talking with you.
We only have factual physical evidence, an event witnessed by many, decribed by God himself in vivid detail 964 years before the event occured. There can be no doubt these things did occur, it's just to recent in history to claim otherwise. Wrtten and sealed. My Son was killed recently. He came and told me he would be ok. All was well. He was dusty and tattered looking, but smiling and happy. That was the night before they told me he was killed in action that day.
That may not be hard evidence to you. It sure become hard evidence to me.
Oh, and The big bang, something, the whole universe created from nothing exploding is "science" right? Please by all means show me how that is a workable theory, any more than God creating it from his "word", And tell me what God's word is made of.
I can assure you God's word is made up of alot more than "nothing"
My son also is active duty...
We'll continue this discussion tomorrow or later.
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