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Judge: ACLU not 'reasonable Court whacks civil-liberties group, OKs Ten Commandments display
World Net Daily ^ | December 20, 2005

Posted on 12/20/2005 2:01:25 PM PST by churchillbuff

A U.S. appeals court today upheld the decision of a lower court in allowing the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse display, hammering the American Civil Liberties Union and declaring, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."

Attorneys from the American Center for Law and Justice successfully argued the case on behalf of Mercer County, Ky., and a display of historical documents placed in the county courthouse. The panel voted 3-0 to reject the ACLU's contention the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.

The county display the ACLU sued over included the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the Magna Charta, the Star Spangled Banner, the National Motto, the Preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution and a picture of Lady Justice.

Writing for the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Richard Suhrheinrich said the ACLU's "repeated reference 'to the separation of church and state' ... has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."

Suhrheinrich wrote: "The ACLU, an organization whose mission is 'to ensure that ... the government [is kept] out of the religion business,' does not embody the reasonable person."

The court said a reasonable observer of Mercer County's display appreciates "the role religion has played in our governmental institutions, and finds it historically appropriate and traditionally acceptable for a state to include religious influences, even in the form of sacred texts, in honoring American traditions."

Francis J. Manion, Counsel for the ACLJ, argued the case before both the 6th Circuit and the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky.

"This is a big victory for the people of Mercer County and Kentucky generally," said Manion in a statement. "For too long they have been lectured like children by those in the ACLU and elsewhere who claim to know what the people's Constitution really means. What the Sixth Circuit has said is that the people have a better grasp on the real meaning of the Constitution; the Court recognizes that the Constitution does not require that we strip the public square of all vestiges of our religious heritage and traditions."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: aclj; aclu; aclulist; gramsci; lawsuit; mercercounty; moralabsolutes; ruling; tencommandments
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1 posted on 12/20/2005 2:01:28 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Yes!!


2 posted on 12/20/2005 2:03:33 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: churchillbuff

Body Slam!


3 posted on 12/20/2005 2:03:49 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: churchillbuff

Excellent!


4 posted on 12/20/2005 2:04:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Peace had a chance!)
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To: churchillbuff

Wow...I wonder what Judge Moore is thinking today?


5 posted on 12/20/2005 2:06:26 PM PST by antaresequity ((PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED))
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To: antaresequity
Here's a link to the opinion:

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/newopn.pl?puid=0

6 posted on 12/20/2005 2:07:28 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Thankfully someone is using their noggin.....Merry Christmas to all!


7 posted on 12/20/2005 2:09:03 PM PST by slynx (What? Me Lurk???)
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To: churchillbuff

The ACLJ won one? Yikes, guess I will have to take them seriously now. Great news!


8 posted on 12/20/2005 2:09:11 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: churchillbuff
This is a solid ruling. It will become concrete when the likely appeal comes after Alito gets on the SC. SDO was absolutely hostile to Christian displays. On this issue the shift on the SC is enormous.
9 posted on 12/20/2005 2:09:21 PM PST by Clump
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http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/newopn.pl?puid=0
10 posted on 12/20/2005 2:09:45 PM PST by antaresequity ((PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED))
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To: churchillbuff
This is also a defeat for an anti-Christian who goes by the name of Neal Boortz. I listen to this guy regularly and appreciate his libertarianism. I do not however, understand his interpretation of the first amendment. My two cents, I endured one his separation of church and state rants recently.
11 posted on 12/20/2005 2:11:58 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: churchillbuff

Is this new? I thought this happened in Jan 2003.


12 posted on 12/20/2005 2:13:05 PM PST by SengirV
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To: SengirV
Is this new? I thought this happened in Jan 2003."""

The appeal court ruling came out today. Maybe you're thinking of the trial court decision, from which the ACLU appealed.

13 posted on 12/20/2005 2:13:46 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Good News! The Court's reasoning is sound, and its comments on the ACLU are very appropriate.

A clear blow for restoring freedom in America!

For my take on the ACLU: Leftwing Word Games & Religious Freedom.

William Flax

15 posted on 12/20/2005 2:14:41 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: xcamel
"The ACLU’s argument contains three fundamental flaws. First, the ACLU makes repeated reference to “the separation of church and state.” This extra-constitutional construct has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state. See Lynch, 465 U.S. at 673; Lemon, 403 U.S. at 614; Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306, 312 (1952); Brown v. Gilmore, 258 F.3d 265, 274 (4th Cir. 2001); Stark v. Indep. Sch. Dist., No. 640., 123 F.3d 1068, 1076 (8th Cir. 1997); see also Capitol Square, 243 F.3d at 300 (dismissing strict separatism as “a notion that simply perverts our history”).

" Our Nation’s history is replete with governmental acknowledgment and in some cases, accommodation of religion. See, e.g., Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783 (1983) (upholding legislative prayer); McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420 (1961) (upholding Sunday closing laws); see also Lynch, 465 U.S. at 674 (“There is an unbroken history of official acknowledgment by all three branches of government of the role of religion in American life from at least 1789.”); Capitol Square, 243 F.3d at 293-99 (describing historical examples of governmental involvement with religion). After all, “[w]e are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.” Zorach, 343 U.S. at 313. Thus, state recognition of religion that falls short of endorsement is constitutionally permissible.

"Second, the ACLU focuses on the religiousness of the Ten Commandments. No reasonable person would dispute their sectarian nature, but they also have a secular nature that the ACLU does not address. That they are religious merely begs the question whether this display is religious; it does not answer it. “[T]he Establishment Clause inquiry cannot be distilled into a fixed, per se rule.” Pinette, 515 U.S. at 778 (O’Connor J., concurring); see Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. 577, 597-98 (1992). Although treating the subject matter categorically would make our review eminently simpler, we are called upon to examine Mercer County’s actions in light of context. “Simply having religious content or promoting a message consistent with a religious doctrine does not run afoul of the Establishment Clause.” Van Orden, 125 S. Ct. at 2863 (plurality opinion). Moreover, “[f]ocus exclusively on the religious component of any activity would inevitably lead to its invalidation under the Establishment Clause.” Lynch, 465 U.S. at 680. The Constitution requires an analysis beyond the four-corners of the Ten Commandments. In short, “proving” that the Ten Commandments themselves are religious does not prove an Establishment Clause violation.

"Third, the ACLU erroneously–though perhaps intentionally–equates recognition with endorsement. To endorse is necessarily to recognize, but the converse does not follow. Cf. Mercer County, 219 F. Supp. 2d at 789 (“Endorsement of religion is a normative concept; whereas acknowledgment of religion is not necessarily a value-laden concept.”). Because nothing in the display, its history, or its implementation supports the notion that Mercer County has selectively endorsed the sectarian elements of the first four Commandments, we fail to see why the reasonable person would interpret the presence of the Ten Commandments as part of the larger “Foundations” display as a governmental endorsement of religion. We will not presume endorsement from the mere display of the Ten Commandments. If the reasonable observer perceived all government references to the Deity as endorsements, then many of our Nation’s cherished traditions would be unconstitutional, including the Declaration of Independence and the national motto. Fortunately, the reasonable person is not a hyper-sensitive plaintiff. See Washegesic ex rel. Pensinger v. Bloomingdale Pub. Sch., 33 F.3d 679, 684 (6th Cir. 1994) (Guy, J., concurring) (describing the “eggshell” plaintiff as unknown to the Establishment Clause). Instead, he appreciates the role religion has played in our governmental institutions, and finds it historically appropriate and traditionally acceptable for a state to include religious influences, even in the form of sacred texts, in honoring American legal traditions."

16 posted on 12/20/2005 2:16:58 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Clump
Good point. These lower court rulings that stand up are starting to create precedent for future rulings. The ACLU has gotten ridiculous with their opposition to public display of the cross on city seals, ect, ect.
17 posted on 12/20/2005 2:19:18 PM PST by fisherman90814
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To: churchillbuff
"The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."

Give it up for Sanity!

18 posted on 12/20/2005 2:21:12 PM PST by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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To: churchillbuff

ping for later


19 posted on 12/20/2005 2:21:13 PM PST by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: churchillbuff

Amen and it's about time a judge slaps the aclu-nuts upside their big stinking leftwing heads.


20 posted on 12/20/2005 2:21:26 PM PST by hyperconservative (MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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