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Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized (Discovery Institute reaction)
Discovery Institute ^ | December 20, 2005 | Discovery Institute Staff

Posted on 12/20/2005 9:07:12 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow

SEATTLE — "The Dover decision is an attempt by an activist federal judge to stop the spread of a scientific idea and even to prevent criticism of Darwinian evolution through government-imposed censorship rather than open debate, and it won't work," said Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute, the nation's leading think tank researching the scientific theory known as intelligent design. “He has conflated Discovery Institute’s position with that of the Dover school board, and he totally misrepresents intelligent and the motivations of the scientists who research it.”

“A legal ruling can't change the fact that there is digital code in DNA, it can’t remove the molecular machines from the cell, nor change the fine tuning of the laws of physics,” added West “The empirical evidence for design, the facts of biology and nature, can't be changed by legal decree."

In his decision, Judge John Jones ruled that the Dover, Pennsylvania school district violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment by requiring a statement to be read to students notifying them about intelligent design. Reaching well beyond the immediate legal questions before him, Judge Jones offered wide-ranging and sometimes angry comments denouncing intelligent design and praising Darwinian evolution.

"Judge Jones found that the Dover board violated the Establishment Clause because it acted from religious motives. That should have been the end to the case," said West. "Instead, Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."

"Anyone who thinks a court ruling is going to kill off interest in intelligent design is living in another world," continued West. "Americans don't like to be told there is some idea that they aren't permitted to learn about.. It used to be said that banning a book in Boston guaranteed it would be a bestseller. Banning intelligent design in Dover will likely only fan interest in the theory."

"In the larger debate over intelligent design, this decision will be of minor significance," added Discovery Institute attorney Casey Luskin. "As we've repeatedly stressed, the ultimate validity of intelligent will be determined not by the courts but by the scientific evidence pointing to design.”

Luskin pointed out that the ruling only applies to the federal district in which it was handed down. It has no legal effect anywhere else. The decision is also unlikely to be appealed, since the recently elected Dover school board members campaigned on their opposition to the policy. "The plans of the lawyers on both sides of this case to turn this into a landmark ruling have been preempted by the voters," he said.

"Discovery Institute continues to oppose efforts to mandate teaching about the theory of intelligent design in public schools," emphasized West. "But the Institute strongly supports the freedom of teachers to discuss intelligent design in an objective manner on a voluntary basis. We also think students should learn about both the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwin's theory of evolution."

Drawing on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines, the scientific theory of intelligent design proposes that some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. Proponents include scientists at numerous universities and science organizations around the word.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; discoveryinstitute; dover; intelligentdesign; ruling; waaambulance
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Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Board’s decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.

- Kitzmiller v. Dover School Board


1 posted on 12/20/2005 9:07:13 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Full title is "Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized as a Futile Attempt to Censor Science Education".


2 posted on 12/20/2005 9:08:15 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior; Right Wing Professor; Physicist; longshadow; js1138

Response from DI.


3 posted on 12/20/2005 9:09:28 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

I guess they expected the ruling. HAHAHA.


4 posted on 12/20/2005 9:09:30 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: wallcrawlr

For your list? If you want :)


5 posted on 12/20/2005 9:14:28 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The constitution does not say anything about "Judges shall make no law....", looks like the judge just made a law.


6 posted on 12/20/2005 9:14:54 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Your list too? I am nothing if not courteous :)


7 posted on 12/20/2005 9:15:45 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Tribune7; Tolkien; GrandEagle; Right in Wisconsin; Dataman; ..
FYI: A response from the Discoery Institute on the ruling.


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8 posted on 12/20/2005 9:17:07 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"Judge Jones found that the Dover board violated the Establishment Clause because it acted from religious motives. That should have been the end to the case," said West. "Instead, Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."

They're mad. They were hoping for a narrow ruling, and they didn't get one. Jones didn't just strike down ID here, he gave a roadmap for striking down the DI's more cautious 'teach the controversy' strategy.

9 posted on 12/20/2005 9:17:48 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

career in marketing? ;)


10 posted on 12/20/2005 9:18:37 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: wallcrawlr
Never underestimate the power of schmoozing :)

I'm out for a while - last minute Christmas shopping. Everyone have fun.

11 posted on 12/20/2005 9:20:21 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Paloma_55
The constitution does not say anything about "Judges shall make no law....", looks like the judge just made a law.

Perhaps you read past Art I Sect 1?

"All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States . . ."

Or did I misunderstand your point?

12 posted on 12/20/2005 9:26:34 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Right Wing Professor
They're mad.

As all constitutionalists should be.

13 posted on 12/20/2005 9:35:01 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Paloma_55
Perhaps you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

And your science.

14 posted on 12/20/2005 9:37:41 AM PST by jess35
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"The Dover decision is an attempt by an activist federal judge to stop the spread of a scientific idea and even to prevent criticism of Darwinian evolution through government-imposed censorship rather than open debate, and it won't work,"

So if I attempt to introduce Astrology into Science classes and a Judge says no, it is "activism"? Total bunk. Let's hope these jokers take a lesson from this.

15 posted on 12/20/2005 9:39:06 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
So if I attempt to introduce Astrology into Science classes and a Judge says no, it is "activism"?

Yes. It's not the judge's call to make.

16 posted on 12/20/2005 9:45:04 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
A summary, set to music.
17 posted on 12/20/2005 9:53:20 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Ha! The DI are such a bunch of losers. They push this ID foolishness when they're selling books to the ignorant masses but, duck and run when the same ignoramuses end up in court lying through their teeth about ID.
18 posted on 12/20/2005 10:05:28 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Right Wing Professor

I don't have time at the moment to read the entire decision, but the judge seems to have made some rather explicit comments on the perjury committed at the trial.


19 posted on 12/20/2005 10:09:05 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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and How to argue against a scientific theory.

20 posted on 12/20/2005 10:36:00 AM PST by PatrickHenry (... endless horde of misguided Luddites ...)
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