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House Poised to Approve Tough Border Security Measure
NY Times ^ | 12/13/05 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 12/13/2005 5:15:43 PM PST by nj26

House Republicans are poised this week to pass one of the toughest border security proposals in more than a decade, cracking down on illegal immigrants and their employers and rejecting President Bush's call for a comprehensive bill that would let millions of undocumented immigrants work legally in the United States.

The measure would, for the first time, make it a federal crime to live in the United States illegally, transforming millions of immigrants in this country into felons ineligible for converting to any legal status in the United States. Currently, living in this country without a visa, work permit, green card or other appropriate document is a violation of civil immigration law, not criminal law.

The bill also broadens the statute designed to combat immigrant smuggling to include people who shield, harbor or offer support to illegal immigrants, like employees of social service agencies and church groups, as well as those who house or transport illegal immigrants. Violators could face up to five years in prison.

The legislation would require the mandatory detention of immigrants other than Mexicans who are entering the United States illegally, increase funds for local sheriffs in border states to allow them to detain illegal immigrants and toughen penalties for employers who hire them....

With most analysts predicting that the measure will pass in the House on Thursday, many of the bill's critics are pinning their hope on the Senate, which is expected to take up a comprehensive immigration bill next year. Representative Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, who sponsored a bipartisan bill that includes a guest worker provision, said he felt deeply frustrated by the House border security bill, even though he favors strong enforcement of existing immigration laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordersecurity; bush; congress; dreamon; gop; hr4313; hr4437; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; openborders; otms; presidentbush
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No doubt we can count on our RINO friends in the Senate and a do-nothing White House to prevent any real effort to secure the borders...
1 posted on 12/13/2005 5:15:44 PM PST by nj26
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"The measure would, for the first time, make it a federal crime to live in the United States illegally, transforming millions of immigrants in this country into felons ineligible for converting to any legal status in the United States."

I support that.

2 posted on 12/13/2005 5:18:43 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: nj26

The People's House is listening to the people.

The Senate and the White House only seem to listen to the Media and the Left.


3 posted on 12/13/2005 5:20:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance (I support the FairTax for the sake of my children and grandchildren...)
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To: Forte Runningrock
"The legislation would require the mandatory detention of immigrants other than Mexicans who are entering the United States illegally, increase funds for local sheriffs in border states to allow them to detain illegal immigrants and toughen penalties for employers who hire them"

I don't support that. Include Mexicans please!!! Now we can see why nothing gets through the house, crap like this is always attatached, along with other pork.

4 posted on 12/13/2005 5:21:02 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: nj26

Give 'em 30 days to evacuate the country.


5 posted on 12/13/2005 5:22:56 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Forte Runningrock

Let me know when the Senate approves a "non-watered down" version of same! Then I'll be excited! The U.S. Senate, what a bunch a loosers! UGH!


6 posted on 12/13/2005 5:23:58 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: Forte Runningrock

Well, at least it would cover all those illegals from Iceland and Luxembourg.


7 posted on 12/13/2005 5:24:29 PM PST by Caveman Lawyer (Cluckin' defiance)
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To: nj26

The GOP leadership should follow the lead of these good conservatives in the House, not the other way around.


8 posted on 12/13/2005 5:27:04 PM PST by SC33
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Canadians too! well, maybe not. Most have visa's unless they are skipping from bills and criminal charges. I don't know why it wouldn't clarify mexicans be detained, and deportation be declared as a primary measure, rahter than leave the door open to immigration trials like the canadian system does, (and ours too) Giving them an opportunity to legaly collect welfare and be provided health care while they wait for their hearing.

That's just bullshit. Anyone who tries jump the Q should be unconditionally returned to the sh@t hole thy came from.

9 posted on 12/13/2005 5:29:14 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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"Representative Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, who sponsored a bipartisan bill that includes a guest worker provision, said he felt deeply frustrated by the House border security bill, even though he favors strong enforcement of existing immigration laws."

A TEMPORARY guest worker program is not the worst idea in the world, but the legislation he signed on with(McCain/Kennedy) is by no means a temporary guest worker program. It is flat out amnesty!


10 posted on 12/13/2005 5:31:51 PM PST by SC33
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To: Forte Runningrock

Either poor drafting or poor reporting. Considering this is Congress versus the New York Times, I'd say it's a tossup.


11 posted on 12/13/2005 5:34:53 PM PST by Caveman Lawyer (Cluckin' defiance)
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To: SC33
I'd rather see the above bill passed, flawed as it is, than anything like a "guest worker" program. How about a simple, "keep them from comming", "keep them from staying", "get them out now", and "stop them from getting in" bill? WITH all the penalties mentioned in this initiative, bill?

Is that so hard? is it? Huh?

Sheesh!

12 posted on 12/13/2005 5:38:51 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: Caveman Lawyer

That's true. What the bill says and what media says could be quite a different thing.
Where is this proposed bill? maybe we sould read it before we sound off, LoL!


13 posted on 12/13/2005 5:41:42 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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Mexicans apprehended as they enter the country are quickly returned to Mexico.


14 posted on 12/13/2005 5:44:52 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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This bill says they won't be, regardless where they are aprehended. "The legislation would require the mandatory detention of immigrants other than Mexicans who are entering the United States illegally" At least that's what the media says.
15 posted on 12/13/2005 5:50:05 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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Mexicans apprehended as they enter the country are quickly returned to Mexico.

Unless they make it to Colorado, where local law enforcement has been ordered by the Feds to let them go.

Congress can't even get existing laws enforced, nothing will come of making more laws.

16 posted on 12/13/2005 5:51:58 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: nj26

This is getting interesting. I'll beleive it when I see it.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 5:54:20 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Ben Ficklin
If I were to write this bill, this part would say: "The legislation would require the mandatory detention of immigrants other than Mexicans who are entering the United States illegally. Mexicans, apon discovery, would be immediately exported to their country of origin, and the government billed for the cost." HA!
18 posted on 12/13/2005 5:57:23 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: Forte Runningrock
oops. See? even I with best intentions leave a loop-hole. The Government of Mexico billed for the cost " That's why lawyers are needed.
19 posted on 12/13/2005 6:00:27 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: Forte Runningrock

If I were writing it, I'd keep HA! inside the quotes.


20 posted on 12/13/2005 6:00:42 PM PST by Caveman Lawyer (Cluckin' defiance)
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