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'Holiday' Cards Ring Hollow for Some on Bushes' List
Washington Post ^ | December 7, 2005 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 12/07/2005 7:18:46 AM PST by indcons

What's missing from the White House Christmas card? Christmas.

This month, as in every December since he took office, President Bush sent out cards with a generic end-of-the-year message, wishing 1.4 million of his close friends and supporters a happy "holiday season."

Many people are thrilled to get a White House Christmas card, no matter what the greeting inside. But some conservative Christians are reacting as if Bush stuck coal in their stockings.

"This clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration has suffered a loss of will and that they have capitulated to the worst elements in our culture," said William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

Bush "claims to be a born-again, evangelical Christian. But he sure doesn't act like one," said Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative Web site WorldNetDaily.com. "I threw out my White House card as soon as I got it."

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1 posted on 12/07/2005 7:18:47 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

Say what you will, but sending a Merry Christmas card to a Jew would be kind of tacky. So instead of having to divide his list into different religions, he sent out a generic greeting. I don't see what the big deal is.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 7:21:53 AM PST by conservatrice
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To: indcons

So when do the calls to boycott the Bush administration begin?


3 posted on 12/07/2005 7:22:38 AM PST by NC28203
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To: conservatrice

"Say what you will, but sending a Merry Christmas card to a Jew would be kind of tacky."

How about, "Happy Birthday to the most famous rabbi in the world!" ??

That should cover all bases. . .


4 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:11 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: indcons

HAPPY HOLIDAYS IS FINE WITH ME-- THERE IS MORE THAN ONE HOLIDAY GOING ON RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Geez people................


Now does anyone know where I can find a good Festivus pole? all they have around here are the cheap plastic ones.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:26 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help...)
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To: conservatrice

Heard blowhard Bill O'Reilly is going to call for a boycott of the WH starting from today /sarc


6 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:30 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: conservatrice

Agreed.

I wonder if anybody knows the terminology used by previous presidents.

I suspect that "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" has been used for decades.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:47 AM PST by Restorer (We don't really disagree with Islamists. They want to die. We want to kill them.)
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To: indcons

Yeah, because having a Bible verse inside the cards just screams "secular".


8 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:52 AM PST by jbarkley
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To: indcons

Impeachment?


9 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Mr. K

There is a HUGE difference between banning the use of the word Christmas and trying to be inclusive of those of other faiths.


10 posted on 12/07/2005 7:24:53 AM PST by Restorer (We don't really disagree with Islamists. They want to die. We want to kill them.)
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To: indcons

"Bush "claims to be a born-again, evangelical Christian"

When did Bush claim this?


11 posted on 12/07/2005 7:25:01 AM PST by Varda
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To: indcons

President Bush is not the President of just the Christians in the United States of America. He is the President of all citizens in this country.

Here, we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, and followers of every religion on this planet.

Some of these religions also have holidays in December, and everyone celebrates New Years here in the USA.

I just love when religious conservatives set about to destroy a President who is on their side. Very clever of them.

My advice on this issue to these folks: STFU.


12 posted on 12/07/2005 7:25:34 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: indcons
Some folks are really looking for things to be offended about this year. I like my card from the White House. It has a lovely Psalm inside and shows that the President is considerate of all the people, including those who are not Christians.

Some folks around here act like they think he should acknowledge only Christians and screw everyone else.

13 posted on 12/07/2005 7:26:19 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: indcons

I think for the White House it makes sense. I suspect there are recepients of the card who are either jewish or muslim and I doubt as the white house knows that much info about each recipient. (Though it might avoid scandal in the futre if to find out).


14 posted on 12/07/2005 7:26:21 AM PST by x5452
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To: Restorer

"I wonder if anybody knows the terminology used by previous presidents.
"

Bush the Elder sent out a "Merry Christmas" card at least one year. Beyond that I don't know.


15 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:07 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: indcons



The White House announced they sent out 1.4 million Christmas cards this year. When Bill Clinton was president, he sent out twice that number of cards. Of course, that was for Valentine’s Day. - Jay Leno


16 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:07 AM PST by UglyinLA
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To: MineralMan

Look at the people WaPo quotes in the first paragraph: Joe Farrah and Bill Donahue. The first is a liar and the second is a buffoon who sees anti-Catholic bias in a phone ring tone.


17 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:09 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: NC28203

I'll bet nobody on this forum ever votes for him for president ever again. See? Boycotts do work.


18 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:29 AM PST by dmz
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To: Restorer

According to the article the last president to mention Christmas was George H. W. in 1992.


19 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:34 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: conservatrice
He is the President of the United States and supposed to be a leader.

It is no secret that Christmas is under attack.

He could have made a stand for religious freedom.

I am disappointed. He should have come up with a creative solution. He didn't do that.

If he sought advice from someone on a creative soulition- they didn't earn their keep.

There are a hundred ways to wish people their respective holiday wishes and NOT be pansies for the PC folks.

20 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:41 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (A fun way to send care packages to troops: anysoldier.com)
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To: indcons
Brother...wonder what their agenda is..ha!

I received this card and what is on it above the 'holiday season' greeting (and what is mentioned only deep in the story) is Psalm 28:7.....not exactly secular.

This is what they choose to complain about?...pathetic.
21 posted on 12/07/2005 7:27:47 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
O'Reilly, Gibson and Fox are going to have to do a whole lot of spinning to explain the President's "Holiday Cards". Unless they berate the president the same as they've done Lowes and Target they'll come off looking like political hypocrites after all the bellyaching they've done over this issue.
22 posted on 12/07/2005 7:28:01 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Impeachment?"

Now that would do the Christian right a lot of good, wouldn't it? Sometimes, those folks just don't get it. Their zeal can be counter-productive.


23 posted on 12/07/2005 7:28:14 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: indcons

Oh BS, I am looking at the card right now. It has Psalm 28.7 "The Lord is my Strength and my shield..."

This holiday vs Christmas thing is getting on my nerves, lighten up people.


24 posted on 12/07/2005 7:28:50 AM PST by lmavk
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
He should have come up with a creative solution.

Like what?

25 posted on 12/07/2005 7:29:02 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: MineralMan; All

Here is another note. When this nation was founded this nation was 99% Christian and 1% other. Now I think this nation is roughly 90% Christian and 10% other. What people need to realize is the Bush represents everyone not just the Christians here.. Much ado about nothing imho..


26 posted on 12/07/2005 7:29:47 AM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: conservatrice
Say what you will, but sending a Merry Christmas card to a Jew would be kind of tacky. So instead of having to divide his list into different religions, he sent out a generic greeting. I don't see what the big deal is.

Indeed. Farah et al view the world as a giant "FIND A GRIEVANCE" puzzle.

27 posted on 12/07/2005 7:29:50 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Some folks around here need tranquilizers to get thru the "HOLIDAY" season.


28 posted on 12/07/2005 7:29:56 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: indcons

What utter crap this article is. The president quotes a biblical verse within the card and it's quite lovely and appropriate.


29 posted on 12/07/2005 7:30:11 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: conservatrice
Me neither...but at least the Happy Ramalamadingdong Party was a huge success
30 posted on 12/07/2005 7:30:41 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister-we knew just what to do- gather large rocks & squash her-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

"I am disappointed. He should have come up with a creative solution. He didn't do that."

Gosh. He did come up with a creative solution. I got the White House card this year. I'm an atheist. I celebrate holidays at this time of year, too. Perhaps my vote is also important. Ya think?

Not every American citizen is a Christian. President Bush realizes that. A pity you seem not to.


31 posted on 12/07/2005 7:31:04 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: blaquebyrd

More than that...O'Reilly, Gibson, and Fox have a lot of explaining to do about their hypocricy. They berated retailers the whole of last week for "Happy Holiday" signs when they were using "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" on their own online shop. The signs were changed as soon as MSNBC ran a story exposing Fox News' double standards.


32 posted on 12/07/2005 7:31:10 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: Peach

Now he knows how warm and fuzzy it wasnt't to get a card from Bill and Hillary.


33 posted on 12/07/2005 7:31:47 AM PST by Thebaddog (K9 4ever)
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To: conservatrice
Say what you will, but sending a Merry Christmas card to a Jew would be kind of tacky.

I disagree. I'm Jewish and prefer Christmas cards from Christian friends, it's their holiday, why should they cater to me? I like well made cards and the words written on them

34 posted on 12/07/2005 7:32:22 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: lmavk

"This holiday vs Christmas thing is getting on my nerves, lighten up people."

Personally, I agree with your thoughts.


35 posted on 12/07/2005 7:33:11 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: conservatrice

instead of having to divide his list into different religions, he sent out a generic greeting.




Exactly. It's no big deal. I know what side Bush is on. That's enough for me.


36 posted on 12/07/2005 7:33:14 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: indcons

My college art teacher did the 2001 WH Christmas card.


37 posted on 12/07/2005 7:33:31 AM PST by TwoSue
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To: TwoSue

That's interesting.....is there some kind of competition?


38 posted on 12/07/2005 7:34:15 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: indcons

The WH choose to offend a much larger group of people with this move than if they had sent traditional Christmas greetings. (But don't stop reading - I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.)

They did this in a calculated manner, after concluding that this would terminally offend far fewer people than a traditional Christmas greeting would offend.

So, if I were Jewish or atheist or Muslim, I should feel more offended that the WH concluded that I'm so petty and small-minded that I would be terminally offended by mere words on a card.

See, the WH knows that the Christian faith has forgiveness and a commitment to not holding onto grudges and offenses built into its core. Sure, there will be a number of "Christians who will take offense, and pledge to never support this administration again. But that number will be much smaller than the number of people who will take that same position after receiving a Merry Christmas greeting from the WH.

Then again, ther are plenty of people who decide to vote for a politician simply because he kisses babies and pets puppies, so go figure.


39 posted on 12/07/2005 7:35:01 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: TwoSue

"My college art teacher did the 2001 WH Christmas card."

I'll bet it said Happy Holidays, too.


40 posted on 12/07/2005 7:35:19 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: indcons

Since Hanukah falls on the same day as Christmas this year (for the
first time since 1959), Happy Holidays is especially appropriate right now.


41 posted on 12/07/2005 7:35:55 AM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: indcons

Let's cut'm some slack he's got bigger fish to fry. And also how is FR get co-opted into becoming an extension of the MSM disinformation apparatus. Like a demon from Buffy. America's enemies can taste and thrive on any break in our ranks.


42 posted on 12/07/2005 7:36:21 AM PST by Calusa (Say Nick, was ya ever stung by a dead bee?)
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To: indcons

I received the Whitehouse Christmas card yesterday and it has a wonderful biblical verse ont he inside.


43 posted on 12/07/2005 7:36:28 AM PST by CWW (He)
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To: conservatrice

And had he sent out "Christmas cards" we would be hearing the screeching of the mortally offended lib loons, each claiming their separation clause had been violated.


44 posted on 12/07/2005 7:36:58 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: MineralMan

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/holiday/cards/02.html


45 posted on 12/07/2005 7:37:07 AM PST by TwoSue
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To: indcons

My card led off with a Bible Verse from Psalm 28

The psalm is an Old Testament admonition that the Lord is my strength and my shield.

The card depicting the two Scotties and an escaping cat on the snowy White House lawn was acceptable to me.


46 posted on 12/07/2005 7:37:07 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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To: jbarkley; ohioWfan

I believe there *is* a Bible verse in the White House Christmas card.


47 posted on 12/07/2005 7:37:41 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: indcons
I think a "Happy Holidays" card is fine for generic distribution of naturally diverse groups of people, like a large office, or to the public in general.

The holiday season, after all, extends from Thanksgiving to New Years, and there are a lot of holidays during that period of time. There are non-Christian holidays, there are made-up holidays, and there is one day during this period that is very special to Christians, as well.

Having said that, there should be no official or quasi-official policy showing disrespect to the beliefs of any religion, and that is going on a lot lately, and it only seems to be happening to Christian symbols. We are right to object loudly to that.

But don't think every "happy holidays" is an intentional slight against Christmas or you'll drive yourself crazy.

I don't know the religion of every person I work with, because its' a big company. If they're Christians and I know it, they get a "Merry Christmas" from me. Otherwise, a more generic greeting is OK too. (see my tag line for further clarification, if necessary)

48 posted on 12/07/2005 7:37:48 AM PST by Kenton (To my friends who celebrate Jesus' birth, Merry Christmas. To the rest of you, have a nice day off.)
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To: indcons
I'll be glad when Christmas & the holidays are over so people will stop bellyaching about such a stupid & trivial issue.

After all, it's eating into news coverage of Natalee Holloway........

49 posted on 12/07/2005 7:38:23 AM PST by gdani
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To: CWW

I received this year's card the other day and the next day my husband got one.


50 posted on 12/07/2005 7:38:46 AM PST by TwoSue
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