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'Fossil fuel' theory takes hit with NASA finding
worldnetdaily ^ | December 1, 2005

Posted on 12/02/2005 7:00:55 PM PST by seastay

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To: calex59
We have oil wells that have refilled, at least partially.

That hardly indicates that the oil was created. It could just as easily have seeped in from another underground reservoir.

The theory is that oil is manufactured at great depths

That's the theory. What's lacking is convincing evidence. Not only do you need to find direct evidence that it is happening, but you have to find evidence that it is happening at an appreciable rate (i.e. one barrel of oil every ten years is not appreciable).

61 posted on 12/02/2005 8:41:32 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Dog Gone

>> Paradigms in science change slowly and with great resistance, he noted, "But NASA has given us today incontrovertible evidence that Titan has abundant inorganic methane."


62 posted on 12/02/2005 8:45:07 PM PST by mmercier (so it goes)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

So it's not all old dinosaur crap afte rall ?........:o)

63 posted on 12/02/2005 8:46:00 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Strategerist
We don't even look for oil in the rocks formed during the age of the dinosaurs.

We have done that in the past, of course. It's just that the productive zones come from eons prior to the dinosaurs.

The kooks can believe whatever they want, but the people with the money to risk know what they're doing and why.

64 posted on 12/02/2005 8:49:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: mmercier

You'll notice methane isn't petroleum.


65 posted on 12/02/2005 8:52:50 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: seastay
well there is plenty on titan!
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Exactly right. But it will cost a few bucks more a barrel to produce don't you think? Peak oil refers to the fact that the readily available, easily procurable oil is being rapidly consumed and will soon be in short supply, while the demand side, due to industrialization of underdeveloped world will increase the demand so there will be scarcity. We need to develop alternative sources and extract more oil, and quickly. Thats a simple, undeniable fact.
66 posted on 12/02/2005 8:53:45 PM PST by photodawg
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To: RightWhale

What do you think of this?


67 posted on 12/02/2005 8:54:55 PM PST by blam
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To: Candor7

Makes sense that if you have Hydrogen, Carbon, and a reducing agent under tremendous heat and pressure, you end up with simple hydrocarbons.
And we know how easy it is for simple HC chains to link up and become heavier.

But no doubt there are biochemical markers in SOME oils.

I think there are both processes going on, and it will never be an either/or proposition.


68 posted on 12/02/2005 8:55:55 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: razorgirl

Seems kinda silly to base the concept of "peak production" on existing fields. No wonder nobody wants to explore anymore ;-)


69 posted on 12/02/2005 8:58:03 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Alter Kaker

Read the book,there is plenty of convincing evidence if you simply open your mind and look at it realistically instead of through lens covered by years of brain washing. If oil didn't form from Dinos and vegetation, which it didn't, then it was formed from something else, this something else is still occuring very deep in the earth. Read about it and then decide and don't close your mind so swiftly.


70 posted on 12/02/2005 9:05:22 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
The best argument I know against the "dead dinosaur" hypothesis is the sheer volume of oil--not just oil pumped from wells but the oil locked in oil shale, in tar sands, left in underproducing or unprofitable fields--trillions of barrels of the stuff. And at all different geologic features and widely varying depths which make no sense if one assumes the stuff is the debris of rotting reptiles from the same geologic era.

If you add up all the known oil, regardless of its recoverability under current price structures, we have just scratched the surface. While we may have a shortage at $20/barrel, at $60/barrel Canada has as much oil as Saudi Arabia. At $100/barrel, North America alone has enough oil for the next century.

"Peak oil" indeed.

71 posted on 12/02/2005 9:10:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (i)
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To: Alter Kaker

Ps. there were far larger amounts than one barrel of oil every 10 years, what an idiotic statement. They wouldn't even be able to measure that small of an amount. That remark alone tells me you know nothing about this subject at all, or worse, being sarcastic to someone you know nothing about because you assume you are superior in knowledge or intellect.


72 posted on 12/02/2005 9:10:50 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: Holdek
Really? Oil may have fallen from space? That's hilarious! What other theories do you have?

I have a theory that you are a troll that hates the idea of peak oil going the way of the dinosaurs -just like the dummycrats! LOL

73 posted on 12/02/2005 9:19:09 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: ClearCase_guy
... perhaps oil can be found almost anywhere, providing a deep enough well is used

If you go deep enough, you find more gas than oil. That is because deep hot burial eventually destroys large hydrocarbon molecules. High temperatures in laboratory experiments do the same thing.

Gold's theory turned conventional wisdom on its head and said that gas came up from below and was converted into heavier petroleum at shallower depths. Nice try, but he's dead wrong. Well, he's dead, that's for certain.

74 posted on 12/02/2005 9:33:37 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: calex59
If oil didn't form from Dinos and vegetation, which it didn't

It didn't, of course. I mean, good God, can you people read? I've pointed out over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that the biogenic theory of oil is that it comes from DEAD MICROSCOPIC MARINE PLANKTON IN SHALLOW OCEANS AND LARGE LAKES.

The author of the book you refer to is a complete moron and anyone who thinks the biogenic theory of oil that they're arguing against is that it's from dinosaurs and vegetation is so profoundly stupid I'm frankly amazed they can type and operate a computer.

75 posted on 12/02/2005 10:12:25 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: beaver fever
We know a lot more than that. There is no life on Titan, nor any evidence or plausibility of any in the past. Methane is being produced in planetary quantities by geological processes without the presence of life. (We've also found metal catalysts that quite plausibly explain how that may happen). Meanwhile, here, we have never seen proven or probably reserves decline, since we started using oil. There is no theoretical reason to believe hydrocarbons are exclusively produced biotically, and there is no empirical reason to believe it is actually running out.
76 posted on 12/02/2005 10:15:42 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ARCADIA
One of these days we are going to get bored with the 100-year-old piston put-put and develop something totally new with alot more Zoom!

We have to get people off the D@$#% cell phones first!

77 posted on 12/02/2005 10:18:14 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The best argument I know against the "dead dinosaur" hypothesis is the sheer volume of oil--

There is no "dead dinosaur" hypothesis.

Oil comes from marine plankton. Marine phytoplankton alone produce over 50 billion tons of biomass a year; multiply that by tens of millions of years, and that's a lot of biomass, even considering that most petroleum is destroyed by overheating or escapes to the surface and is destroyed when there's no capping formation over it.

78 posted on 12/02/2005 10:21:05 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: mmercier
Velikovsky was I think vindicated on this point in the 80's when oil was found in a granite deposit in Finland where no primordial vegetation was possible.

Is the granite of igneous or metamorphic origin?

Regardless, it must be fractured, or there would be no reservoir.

Petroleum migrates--even to the surface.

It can be found in fractured volcanics, too, but they overlie the sedimentary rocks which are believed to be the source of the oil.

"Refilling" reservoirs are commonly in severely faulted areas, in relatively young rock, geologically speaking, and may be filling with oil and gas migrating along those faults and fractures from reservoirs that lie in deeper strata.

Until someone drills deeper there no one will know for certain, but why drill deeper if the oil is migrating to existing wellbores now? Fracture sets and faults which allow fluid migration really complicate drilling a well, and the production is already happening.

Many, many people have been taken in by this inorganic mantle source hype, and all they ever got was snake oil for their money.

79 posted on 12/02/2005 10:28:02 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Strategerist

Until bacteria feed on it and as they die off, guess what, it is called crude oil.


80 posted on 12/02/2005 10:29:46 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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